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Name: eddie
Comment: Michael Jackson left more than a Billion dollars ,for his Mother and children.His estate was worth 500 million in 2002,but today it is worth Billions.Michael has helped countless charities,he was a Humanitarian,and a Philantrophist.When Michael Jackson died ,he was a Billionaire.May his soul rest in peace,God Bless.
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: At age 65, I'm sure Diana Ross is THRILLED at the prospect.
Name: Teigh
Comment: I don't know about MJ dying a billionaire...that figure is more than likely taking into account the unprecendented sales since his death with regard to his own songs and potential future income. I wondered where was Diana Ross and why hasn't she surfaced? If someone is a secondary guardian to minor children I would more than think that they knew about it because their is no third nominee. It appears that Diana stayed low on purpose. MJ loved his mother that goes without saying however he also clearly took a look at how Diana raised her children. Diana was a handful (even with him in the early years) yet when she started having kids...they all seem to be very well adjusted adults. Obviously MJ took note of that..."Can't find no rhyme to it all / But still we keep on trying / The why and where of it all / Inside you the answer is lying / Reach in (reach in)/ Find that tree of wisdom /Reach in (reach in)/ Find out why you're livin' / Put away that shade of sin / and let love shine in..."
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: Teigh, Eddie has ALWAYS "known" Michel was a billionaire!
Name: Gurlfrand
Comment: I completely understand why Diana has not surfaced - first of all, she's in mourning; this is about Michael and his family, not other big stars; somehow, Diana was able to raise her five children, get most of them college educated, and, she was divorced - twice, and Michael was probably impressed with his mentors ability to keep them all separated from the trappings of celebrity which many times destroys celebrity off spring.
Name: BKLYNVIAMAHATTAN
Comment: it's been said that she dotes on her children and always did. She has no friends, her children are her friends. Now if she can just leave the Juice to the evening hours and not all day things will be ok.
Name: McNasty
Comment: The line in Madea's Family Reunion comes to mind when Madea is standing before Judge Mabeliene. 'Its a reason God put women through menopause' lmao Well, the man was emotionally immature and you can tell by this decision. He chose older and old to raise his barely teenage kids and one too young to be self sufficient. The people around him really didn't watch out for him.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Cameras found Diana but the only thing she would say is that she is devastated then she split as fast as the small crowd gathered allowed. It aired on one of the entertainment shows earlier this week. I think its less about her being intentionally underground and more about MiJac's death. Its taken me some time to even process it and I didn't know him personally. I can only imagine how Liz and Diana are feeling. They saw him for who he really was and didn't judge him - they mothered him when he wouldn't go to his own mother.
Name: TGen
Comment: Grace12_34, I was thinking the same thing about that Eddie fella, lol. Wow, he's obsessed! CONTINUES to claim MJ was a billionaire (and the best person to ever live, to boot, lol) even when MJ's OWN WILL STATES OTHERWISE! lol Eddie, back slowly away from the pipe. smh Teigh, I was thinking the same thing about Diana's kids. Whatever people say about her, she seems to have been a good mom, her kids seem really well-adjusted.
Name: Sexee
Comment: Good Morning, First off why would his ex-wife be in the will? She's he ex correct? She cashed her paycheck right? Why would this be such a surprise? I wish people would stop making that stupid comment. Finally, it is a shocker to most that Diana is a backup guardian. I guess just because people seem to be estranged that it may not be the case. He may have observed her interaction with her kids or just generally loved the woman and wanted her to raise his kids; either way the gesture speaks volume.
Name: Lorraine315
Comment: We have to keep in mind that Michael was 50 years old and the people that he trust the most are much older than him. We all think Janet would be the most logical choice BUT I dont think she ever expressed wanting to have and raise kids- I dont think she really like em'. Sure she is Auntie Janet to 25+ nieces and nephews she loves them and doesnt mind hanging out with them but at the end of the day she is the type to call you up to come pick up your d@mn kids.
Name: bigchassie
Comment: LORRAINE>CDHEYLLUP!!! LOL!! GURLLLL....
Name: DCGG
Comment: Good choice, Diana's kids all turned out seemingly fine...
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: Er, er, thanks for that information eddie...Have you read the Jesse Jackson thread bro?...Just concerned 'bout your well-being man...I'm suprised at how your able to type and post while wearing that white sequined glove..
Name: bigchassie
Comment: LORRAINE>Gurlll...can you imagine hearing Janet in her soft tiny voice fussing on the phone, "WILL YOU PLEASE COME AND GET YOUR DAYUM KIDS!!" LOLOL!! I'M HOLLERING HERE WITH LAUGHTER!!!
Name: bigchassie
Comment: *still crackin up* LORRAINE>thanks for the good laugh this morning! GOOD MORNING YALL!!!
Name: TGen
Comment: "I'm suprised at how your able to type and post while wearing that white sequined glove.." LOL! That cracked me up.
Name: nightshift
Comment: Why are we surprised? #1. Why would I divorce a person so as to "INCLUDE" them in my will? 1# Is this the same Dianna that tried to pawn off her black-as-tar-child (by Berry Gordy) as the child of her and that Silberstein guy? Give them to Nicole Richie, she's playing black!!
Name: Reds
Comment: Spike Lee made an interesting point in his interview with Katie Couric about the relationship between Michael Jackson and black people. You see, it seems that yt people are of the opinion that because of how Michael’s appearance changed, black folks would somehow be put off or less supportive of him. Spike made the point of the bus driver who was knifed for dissing Michael. I had to make that point to a poster yesterday also, how black folks were always in Michael’s corner. But that also raise the question of exactly what was Obama thinking when he went to his yt/jewish staff for advice on how to reach out to Michael. Those people have no idea of the relationship that we have with Michael, duh!!! … On a related topic, we know that Obama decided not to offend yt people rather than publicly acknowledge Michaels achievements. Remember also that this is at a time when we are the ones in grief, not yty. But one more thing, these yts are more likely racist if they would be offended by any public acknowledgement of Michael by the president. So Obama would rather please racist whites than his wife’s people in their deepest hour of grief. … Spike’s interview: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5126678n
Name: TGen
Comment: Reds: "Remember also that this is at a time when we are the ones in grief, not yty." Sorry, but that's not accurate. People the WORLD OVER (including A LOT OF WHITE FOLKS) are mourning Mike. Sorry, can't agree with you on that Reds. You're just wrong. Part of MJ's appeal is that his popularity transcended color lines...which ironically supports your point that the WH was remiss to not publicly acknowledge him. If race was what BO was afraid of, he (like you) didn't understand the breadth of MJ's shine. (I don't think race was the issue Reds, usually it is, but not this time. Jmo)
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Lorraine, LOL! I think your scenario is on point. Like me, Janet is not too kid oriented and with good reason!
Name: Penelope
Comment: According to the TODAY Show interview just now, it is believed that Diana Ross did not know she had been identified for this role by Michael. Also, this person indicated that if courts have a problem with Big Momma (Ms. Katherine) taking the kids because of her age, they very well may also have a problem with Momma Diana because she is 65, not to mention has had her own personal issues. But, I wondered more about Rebbie...But then again, shes got to be getting up there as well. The thing about us as a people is that we will take some kids in. I personally was raised by folks other than my parents. I think there will be something filed by Debbie Rowe that is going to stand in the way of a lot of the Jackson family trying to gain custody of the kids.
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: I co-sign with TGen. Some white folks are even KILLING THEMSELVES over the death of the King!
Name: flytetime
Comment: I thought Janet has said in the past that she would love to have kids with the troll (Jermaine Dupri) so I think Janet may be a viable option to raise them
Name: Reds
Comment: TGen, how about this, “Remember also that this is at a time when we are the ones most in grief, not yty."
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: Interesting point, Penelope. The Will predates the death of Arne Naess (Diana's ex-husband). She seems to have fallen apart even more after his death. Michael did not consider this.
Name: ss69054
Comment: What a lot of people did not know was that Diana and Mijac were very close throughout the years. However, I think his mom and Di are too old to be raising kids but apparently it seems that he trusted them more than anyone. Debbie was in it for the millions, she could care less.
Name: yunvme
Comment: Janet does not want kids. She said once that she's not sure she would be a good parent. This may stem from how they were raised/abused. At least he didnt leave those kids to Liza or Liz Taylor. When it came down to it, he knew (even if those kids are white) that it takes a good black women to raise kids. Michaels mother will take good care of them. As for Diana, by all accounts, she is a great mother. I'm sure that Michael wants his kids to live the kind of life ($$$) they have been accustomed to, so she is a wise choice. Michael and Diana weren't as close as they once were, but he obviously still loved and respected her. I've seen Diana say how Michael has shut himself out- how its hard to reach him and you could see the concern on her face. The love was still there no doubt. Its so funny how this last week all you've heard about is Liz Taylor this, Brooke Shields that. I even saw a story on one of those shows and they did a segment on the women in Michaels life and they had Brook Shields, Jane Fonda, Liz Taylor, etc. but no Diana. I was like WTF is that all about? Like only white people were special to him. Michael shut all them down by putting Diana in such high regard in his will. The media has gone crazy over it. Quiet as its kept, I think the media is upset that white people wont be raising those white children. Deep deep down inside I think this bothers the media. Its like how dare he. Thats why you will now see stories wondering if/how close Michael and Diana were in the later years, or how Diana and Katherine may be too old to raise them. Now that b1tch Diane Diamond is trying to create controversy by saying that Katherine is jealous of Diana. They are going to try and pit those two women (black women) against each other, and you know how they love to do that. They are jealous.
Name: NYCsoul
Comment: I'm in the minority here but I find it odd that he chose Ross as a alternate guardian. Granted, they had a close relationship during the earlier phase of his career but from the mid 80s on, it seemed that the two had fallen out. I guess they kissed and made up. Obviously, Ross loves her children but some people forget that it was her mother that helped raised those kids when she was out on the road. Ross herself credited her mother for helping in their development. I still think MJ's choice was bizarre seeing that his siblings kids have turned out all right (even Jermaine's kids). The message seems to be that he didn't even trust his own siblings parental skills. *shrugs*
Name: NYCsoul
Comment: flytetime> I, too, swore I read Janet saying that she wanted to have a baby with Jermaine Dupri.
Name: TGen
Comment: NYCsoul, I don't think you're in the minority. I too found it strange his siblings weren't mnetioned in the will, not even as third or fourth choices to raise the kids. Something is fishy.
Name: Lorraine315
Comment: Grace12_34, We all know MJ was born a black child BUT he was loved by folks of ALL races. Even look at the marketing stragedy for the Jackson 5 back in the day- they had a Saturday morning cartoon, stickers, lunch boxes, h*ll The Osmond Brothers could not compete with and match the success of the Jackson 5
Name: yunvme
Comment: Janet did recently say that when her career cooled off in recent years. But that was PR talk. She aint having no baby by him.
Name: Penelope
Comment: Awe man, Jermaine, is crying while talking about his brother and how he loved Michael. Wow, there trule seemed to be a strong bond between them. He said that a friend called him to tell him that Michael had been taken to the hospital, so he tried to call his mom, and when he finally reached Ms. Katherine, she told him Michael was gone. He said he raced to get to the hospital among all of the confusion, and was trying to get to his mother, but he wanted to see Michael to know for sure that he was gone. *Sniff*
Name: yunvme
Comment: Reebie- almost as old as Diana, Latoya- crazy as hell, Janet- no desire to be a parent, the brothers- hell to the naw. That only leaves Katherine and Diana.
Name: Angel
Comment: Reds - Let the black fans vs. white fans thing go! MJ had fans in every corner of the world from every background and ethnicity. The people screaming and passing out at his concerts, camped out at his trials, at the hospital and at his ranch and the ones actually buying his music were very diverse. I hate it when black folks fill the need to try to claim ish when it is evident it is not true. We didn't have any SPECIAL relationship with him over the next fan on the street beyond the ethnicity connection. Let it go!! lol
Name: flytetime
Comment: NYC, she did say it on the Tyra Banks show in October...now whether or not that is PR talk, I don't know *shrugs shoulders* - Janet Jackson has admitted that said that shes planning on starting a family with boyfriend Jermaine Dupri. The singer sensation confessed to talk show host Tyra Banks. Janet took the supermodel-turned-talk show host behind the scenes of her tour, in Las Vegas in September, to tape footage aired for the first time on The Tyra Banks Show on October 9. During a candid chat, the singer confessed she wants children with Dupri “at some point”.
Name: Penelope
Comment: Now Matt is doing a tour of Neverland. Place is kind of gothic looking. But fabu nontheless.
Name: Reds
Comment: Angel: “We didn't have any SPECIAL relationship with him over the next fan on the street beyond the ethnicity connection.” … You have no idea how huge that one seemingly “subtle” difference is. They can never experience the connection that we had with Michael. I don’t care how many of those fanatics killed themselves. Our connection was not just that of a fan or fanatic. Black people share a bondage which pull us even closer when one of our kind is in need, is being targeted by the system. Take OJ. When blacks found out how they were using the planted evidence of a racist to convict him, we all were in his corner.
Name: NYCsoul
Comment: TGen> The children would get the money anyway so I don't see what harm it would be to have his brothers or Rebbie take the children. I have to think that Michael may have wanted to change to his will at some point but never got the chance to. I just hope Katherine can hold on as long as she can because Michael's death has to be tearing her up. flytime> That's what I thought. It seems like Janet had a change of heart once she met Jermaine. I think Janet would make a good parent.
Name: Lorraine315
Comment: yunvme yeah I agree about LaToya. I bet the family cant even trust her to water the houseplants when they are out of town. So when it comes to gaurdianship issues she is not even considered
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ....It's probaby white folks killing themselves and sh1t..Black folks loved MJ but we ain't killing ourselves 'cause he died...We might hurt a muthafuccer if they say the wrong thing 'bout him...(That bus driver)...Black folks love animals too but we ain't living with bears, swimming with sharks, fuccing with snakes...tryna live among wolves...Black folks take sh1t but so far...
Name: Angel
Comment: Reds - Since when??? You must be thinking of the Jews, Asians or Arabs. Black folks can be some of the most nonsupporting of each other that I know. Black on black crime is prevalent in our community. We flock to other communities to shop instead of supporting Black owned businesses. We do have a knack for tearing each other down though...
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: Who was it who opened this thread? Eddie? MJ's personal accountant? Anyway, Michael might be worth 200 million on paper. But all Jermaine, Janet, and their mom should do for the next few years of their lives is follow the money, day and night. Otherwise the record companies, lawyers, Joe, et. al, will figure out someway to make off with quite a bit of it. Cause if they keep their eyes on it, and with the inevitable future release of albums, the trust could indeed reach a billion dollars and more in short order.
Name: DOne
Comment: We are forgetting one thing in terms of being too old to raise kids; raising kids when you are rich isn't the same as when you're just a regular joe. It's not like Katherine or Diana would have to spend all of their time chasing behind the kids; they will hire a governess or nannies; tutors, etc. Not to mention, there will be housekeepers and cooks. So much of the daily grind that us parents do can be taken care of by others, leaving more time for quality interactions.
Name: MSM2g
Comment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW1T1DZdWrA Please check this out.....alot of people had reason to take MJ out......this is a video of him speaking in London las year....Im just saying.....whats your thoughts on this? If you cant pull it up by the link go to youtube and it is called killer thriller part 2. Check it out before they remove it.
Name: indipindintthnkr
Comment: I don't know Diana's kids all seem to be well nurtured and grounded. I do understand the age thing tho b/c my husband and I had often thought about fostering a child since mine is almost nineteen. But we've resigned to knowing that the mind is willing but the willing gets weaker as we age so we just got a dog.
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: Black folks connection to Michael was a strong one. But in the end, it's an individual thing. For instance, I---a 40-something-year-old Black man---can't tell you what a twenty-something-year-old Black woman's connection might be. The people who witnessed The Jackson Five at the Apollo Theatre circa 1968 had an experience that I'll never fully know either because I wasn't there. I can imagine though, all the "aahs" that went out over the audience when they first saw Michael. And perhaps the thought that went through Michael's head: "I ain't here for no 'aahs.' I'm here to rock this joint." Over the years my impressions ran from amazement (that this little boy fronting the J5 could tear it up like that), to concern (for Michael as a young teen, on the cover of a teen magazine with a strsined smile, his face pocked with acne) to relief (that he'd made the transistion from child entertainer to adult artist successfully with the release of "Off The Wall") to pride (when he turned it out on Motown 25; the unprecedented record sales of "Thriller")...(continued)...
Name: NYCsoul
Comment: I'm no fan of J. Randy Taborelli and his claim of being a MJ 'confidante' but he's been running a series of interesting stories about MJ this week. Today, he talks about MJ's relationship with his kids. Here is the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1196921/M ichael-Jacksons-children-banned-looking-mirrors-toys-t hrown-away-night.html
Name: highlife
Comment: I love Diana, that's beautiful. See you never know who's watching you and in what ways they are watching you. That's why we have to tip toe through life, because you often have an impact on others through your actions.
Name: highlife
Comment: And for the record, can ya'll stop all that "Blacks are the most unsupportive of each other" crap. Did we not come out in numbers for Obama. We supported Mike (and OJ at first) throughout all those trials. And you know Big Mamma will be the first to put the family house up to get "Lil Ray-Ray" out even though everyone and their momma knows he did it. Arab on Arab Crime, White on White Crime, and Asian on Asian crime exist also. It's just in some of those countries, you get your hand chopped off for stealing a piece of bread. WE DO SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND WE SHALL OVERCOME!
Name: Angel
Comment: The will is short because it is a Pourover Will. Most of MJ's %*$ets were already in a Trust and the will just put any lingering %*$ets with the rest of his %*$ets and named his nominations for guardianship for his children. The executors of the will are more than likely the executors of his trust. All of the juicy and significant details about how Jackson's %*$ets will be handled and distributed (including who the benefactors are) are in the Trust. The trust is used to avoid his estate having to go through the probate system and avoid estate tax.
Name: yunvme
Comment: I saw it also mentioned that although shut out of the will, its possible that Debbie may get money out of the trust.
Name: Angel
Comment: highlife - Of course, it's not everybody, but our community is in real need of more support from each other. Many black folks didn't support Obama until after IOWA (you know--after he was legitimized by YT voters). And, yes, Big Mamma takes care of the family, but when big mamma gets killed, nobody sees anything in broad daylight. And I'm not talking about other countries. I'm speaking of other ethnicities living here. Blacks spend billions of dollars, but the majority of that money is spent outside of the AA community. We have a lot of work to do.
Name: Angel
Comment: yunvme - Exactly.
Name: PRDC
Comment: He did the right thing. He wanted somone that have lived and not trying to continue to be young and in the streets to care for his children and his mother and Diana is who he chose. Age is only a number being that now with so many young mothers out here on crack and their mothers and grandmother have to care for their children to keep them out of the foster system. People really need to think before opening their mouths. Maybe when the too of them gets to a point they can't atten to them, they can request maybe Janet to care for them if they are not grown by then. He wanted them to be raise to respect people like children should do instead of like the children of today.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: Both of them are too old to raise these kids but for a small multi million dollar fee I'd gladly take them in LOL.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: Sorry highlife but I ain't never supported OJ. When OJ was acquitted I cheered on behalf of all of the black men that's been railroaded by the system. I could give a rat's azz about OJ. But I digress, carry on.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: 3 kids + menopausal woman = nightmare. Ya'll gonna have Diana back on the juice when she hears about this LOL.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: I'm begging y'all...do read Greg Tates' piece on MJ in the Village Voice: -- http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-07-01/news/michael-ja ckson-the-man-in-our-mirror/2 --> "The unfortunate blessing of his departure is that we can now all go back to loving him as we first found him, without shame, despair, or complication." <--->"And here we are. Sitting with the rise and fall and demise of Michael, and grappling with how, as dream hampton put it, 'The loneliest man in the world could be one of the most beloved.' Now that some of us oldheads can have our Michael Jackson back, we feel liberated to be more gentle toward his spirit, releasing him from our outright rancor for scarring up whichever pre-trial, pre-chalk-complexion incarnation of him first tickled our fancies."
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @highlife, --->"And for the record, can ya'll stop all that "Blacks are the most unsupportive of each other" crap. Did we not come out in numbers for Obama."<---- It burns my azz everytime I hear someone parrot that worn out staple. Most Blacks get their start off our backs in some form or another. That statement is used by manipulators IMO.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: Angel, so what if "some" Blacks didn't "automatically" jump on Obama's bandwagon. That's our right just like everyone else's. IMO more whites should have supported him since he's just as much Black as white. Plus look at who he's afraid to offend by addressing us as he does every other community. I didn't support Obama until "after" the primaries and felt no obligation to him...the same as he doesn't to Blacks.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @Reds, ---> "Our connection was not just that of a fan or fanatic. Black people share a bondage which pull us even closer when one of our kind is in need, is being targeted by the system." <---- It kills me that some folks can't understand that.
Name: Angel
Comment: Melody Cool - Pump your brakes. You are only making my original point to highlife. You have every right to do as you please. This convo was not about rights, it was about support. And just like you and many others didn't originally support Obama, many believe Obama isn't supporting the Black community now. So I'm confused at the point you were trying to make...
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: Yeah, Debbie Rowe could get money from the trust. And so could/will his brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, Joe, etc. In other words, no one with the last name "Jackson" in the LA area will be hurting anytime soon. But back to Rowe. It was proper for him to diss her in the will as he did because (1) she was a surrogate, and (2) she'd already been paid, and paid well, for her services (she's living as a recluse with a bunch of animals on her land--all most likely paid for by Michael years ago).
Name: Harriet
Comment: Black Women don't ever get through raising children. We aren't good enough to procreate with, but we are good enough to care for them in the instance of your demise- a mammy. Anyway. . . I finally got a chance to see Florence Ballard's UNSUNG story last night. I enjoyed it immensely. I got to get that Florence Ballard album that they just released. I am digging the hell out of that song "Buttered Popcorn." I am glad that Diana was portrayed honestly. Even though Black myth wants so badly for Diana to be the destructive byatch, it turns out that that wasn't the case. It was Diana who reached out to her, tried to help her and wrote the checks.
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: Only his NEPHEWS will be getting money from the Trust, and that will ONLY happen on the death of any of the Trust's BENEFICIARIES. That is why they are referred to as "contingent remainder beneficiary." ... Emphasis on REMAINDER. Check out the Will's attachment: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/070109 1mjwill8.html
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: Beneficiaries = Katherine, Michael, Jr., Paris and Prince Michael II (aka Blanket).
Name: Reds
Comment: Angel: “Since when??? You must be thinking of the Jews, Asians or Arabs. Black folks can be some of the most nonsupporting of each other that I know.” … I understand that argument, but it’s more complicated than that. You see, when a group is oppressed and disenfranchised by a system as we are, it often force us into conflict with each other. So in the game of survival, the more desperate ones will even prey off their brothers. It’s just conflict all over. That’s how it is in the hood. Ice T had this song Hustler, “every dollar I got it seems another brother drop. Maybe that’s the plan and I don’t understand….” … Bob Marley also said it in Ambush in the Night, “they keep us hungry, and when you gonna get some food, your brother got to be your enemy…” .. Another good example is the Gaza strip, where the Israelis deprive the Palestinians of the bare necessities. The end result is that Palestinians rise against each other, Hamas against Fatah. …But through it all, whenever one of us is target by the system, we all are down to the count with him. When they beat Rodney King, when they killed Amadou Diallo, when they shot Sean Bell, the Jena six ….
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: And Debbie Rowe GETS NOTHING. On Page 3, Paragraph VI of the Will, Michael states the he "intentionally omitted to provide for my former wife, DEBORAH HEAN ROWE JACKSON." Emphasis on INTENTIONALLY OMMITTED and FORMER wife. He already paid the woman, so he left her out of the Will. The Court is not going to turn around and include her AGAINST Michael's wishes. Case CLOSED!
Name: yunvme
Comment: Harriet you will be so disappointed with Florence Ballards CD. Mary has done a good job creating this fantasy that Florence was Aretha Franklin. NOT. She was great as a member of the Supremes- no doubt. She was not cut out to be the lead singer of anything.
Name: TGen
Comment: Reds: "TGen, how about this, “Remember also that this is at a time when we are the ones most in grief, not yty." lol Nope, no dice. Sorry Reds. As someone else pointed out, White folks are committing suicide over this ish, so... But I only disagree on technicality. I understand and somewhat agree with your larger point--that Blacks have historically been the most forgiving of our public figures (really of anyone if you really think about it). Imo, that's a fact that's not really disputable. Case and point, the pres. Blacks will go to bat for him for a looong time to come, whether he does anything to address their issues or not, nevermind that he is among the most powerful men in the world.
Name: yunvme
Comment: Grace12_34 trust/will experts yesterday said the Will and the Trust are 2 different things. Not saying she is going to get anything, but in cases like this- it is totally possible.
Name: Harriet
Comment: yunvme- For real? Dayumned! I had already pictured myself gliding around the house to that CD as I cleaned up or had a cocktail or something. I still think I am going to try to get it for collector's purposes. This heat in Texas is ridiculous! I used to play outside all day as a little girl and it was NOT THIS HOT!!!
Name: Harriet
Comment: Has anyone ever seen this documentary film called ZEITGIST? (sp?) I saw it yesterday and I wanted to have a flag burning party after watching it!
Name: yunvme
Comment: Actually, I should have kept my opinion about her voice/the CD to myself and let you be the judge. I dont want to talk you out of it.
Name: Lorraine315
Comment: On the subject of supporting our own- When one of our own is target by the "the man" or the victim of straight up racism we got their back. LOL Even when that black person probably never stepped foot in a black neighborhood in their entire life- for example Tiger Woods. Remember last year when a sports caster said something about lynching Tiger. The network did not fire her but she was indeed suspended- hell no you dont talk about lynching Tiger Woods.
Name: MsFresno
Comment: I still believe Evan Ross is Michaels son.
Name: dcdouglass01
Comment: Michael's siblings, father, etc. won't get anything directly from the will. But they'll get plenty directly from Katherine, as Michael just made his mother one of the richest Black women on earth (when you count what is available now and what is to come via income streams from music sales, memorabilia, museum revenues, etc).
Name: Harriet
Comment: Lorraine315- Agreed. I still get ashamed when I think of how I was jumping up and down in front of the television when OJ was pronounced "not guilty."
Name: Lorraine315
Comment: TGen, President Obama is more of a complex issue. On one hand you have some blacks who say he is not doing enough to address the issues that concern our community. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND you have some white folks who say The President is ONLY looking out for black people- that his policies are geared to take money away from hard working white people to give to poor blacks. So me personally may not agree with everything Obama says or does BUT I do have his back when it comes to crazy a$$ white people and their racist conspiracy theories.
Name: Reds
Comment: MSM2g: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW1T1DZdWrA Please check this out.....alot of people had reason to take MJ out …Told you all how Sony sabotage Michael’s album. That’s how come you have all them people talking like he can’t sell albums anymore.
Name: Angel
Comment: Reds - I'm talking US, not anywhere else. So the looters in LA and those who burned down their own neighborhood including the black owned businesses were supporting what again? Supporting your community is not acting chaotic out of frustration. Supporting your community means being proactive--going to jury duty, supporting your local community, policing your neighborhood, joining and supporting organizations within the community, pushing education, etc. We have a lot of work to do. I'm with TGEN though--we are some forgiving MFkers. LOL
Name: Angel
Comment: US meaning USA
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: Harriet!? What part of Texas are you in (not that it matters, because it's probably hot EVERYWHERE there!!)!!! I am packing right now to drive a small truck down to San Antonio to New York City! I love hot weather, and I am looking forward to THE HEAT!!!
Name: Grace12_34
Comment: Yes, Yunve, you're absolutely right. The Will and the Trust are two different things. I've worked for trust and estates lawyers before. Since Debbie Rowe is divorced from Michael Jackson, and does not have custody of those children (and it looks like there's no possibility of THAT), she won't be getting a dime, Will or Trust.
Name: highlife
Comment: MelodyCool - "Black people share a bondage which pull us even closer when one of our kind is in need, is being targeted by the system." <---- It kills me that some folks can't understand that." I agree, and to me it's not a worn out statement about Obama. But people, can we give the man the same chance we gave BUSH to fail. Give him his 4 years before we start saying he isn't doing anything. Like Chris Rock said, I want my fair share and chance not only to succeed, but to f*ck things up. LOL
Name: Angel
Comment: Unless you know all of the terms of the Trust, you really don't know what provisions were made for each individual person.
Name: Katso
Comment: WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama called Michael Jackson a brilliant performer whose talents were paired with a tragic personal life. "I'm glad to see that he is being remembered primarily for the great joy that he brought to a lot of people through his extraordinary gifts as an entertainer," Obama said in an AP interview Thursday. Obama said he didn't see any controversy in the fact that he did not issue a formal public statement upon Jackson's death, and said he was unaware of any dissatisfaction in the black community with his response. "I know a lot of people in the black community and I haven't heard that," Obama said. The president said he grew up on Jackson's music and "I still have all his stuff on my iPod." "I think that Michael Jackson will go down in history as one of our greatest entertainers," Obama said. "His brilliance as a performance also was paired with a tragic and in many ways, sad personal life." Jackson died June 25 at age 50.
Name: Reds
Comment: “Obama said he didn't see any controversy in the fact that he did not issue a formal public statement upon Jackson's death, and said he was unaware of any dissatisfaction in the black community with his response.” … Keep lying to yourself Obama. Anyway, it’s too little, too late.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: Reds, he musta heard something to even bring his wife's people up in the first place. Yeah, he's lyin'.
Name: Lorraine315
Comment: D*mn, seems like MJ left us a message. The last video of him alive-rehearsing(a day or two before his death) for his upcoming tour he was performing his song 'They Dont Care About Us" CNN.com has the video
Name: yunvme
Comment: can someone explain to me why its important for some people to hear a statement from the President about Michael Jackson? The prez has more important things to think about.
Name: bigheadbull2
Comment: This just in... Now the b i tch wants the kids. Sorry skank thier is too much ink with you saying you are not fit to be a mother and I for one tend to agree. Lookin like Mr. ED heeeeehow
Name: 1VAsweetsexy
Comment: I just heard on MSNBC tht Debbie Rowe is getting ready to fight for the kids..nothing etched in stone but she definately has someone in her ear..
Name: 1VAsweetsexy
Comment: Exactly yunvme- you know President Obama is suppose to fix EVERYthing and create another world..lol - President Obama has sent his condolensences and has written a letter..President Clinton has called the family..there isn't anything else to do
Name: beboyz
Comment: Why should he leave that PWT (Po White Trash)anything she is his ex. If Diana can do anything right she can raise some decent kids enuff said
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: Seems like the marginalization of black america, from the highest levels of gov't has begun. SMGDH.
Name: MSM2g
Comment: Reds........People had reason to take MJ out. At issue are two sets of %*$ets. One is Jackson's master recordings, which Sony is supposed to turn over to him in seven years, but which he wants in three. (Owning those will mean he no longer has to split royalties with Sony.) The other is Sony/ATV, the music publishing company that Jackson co-owns with Sony, which holds the copyrights to several hundred thousand songs, including the catalogs of the Beatles and such Sony artists as Bob Dylan. (Last week, Sony/ATV bought Nashville publisher Acuff-Rose, which holds the rights to 55,000 country songs.) Both Jackson and Sony want to buy out each other's stake in the publishing venture, the Times says. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,319537,00.html So he so called "accidentally Overdosed" before Sony was Legally surpose to return his %*$ets. Its obvious Michael Jackson had some very evil, patient and dangerous enemies that where watching his every move.
Name: Reds
Comment: MelodyCool: “Reds, he musta heard something to even bring his wife's people up in the first place.” … Of course he heard something. He has people constantly monitoring the media to hear what’s going on, always campaigning. And what he heard coming from blacks wasn’t pleasant on how he treated Michael. So all of a sudden he is now willing to talk about Michael, the person he wouldn’t acknowledge a few days ago. Just another lying president.
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