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Name: Reds
Comment: Another sad and unnecessary loss.
Name: Janissi
Comment: This is a very sad situation. I feel for their families, especially his wife and children.
Name: barnone
Comment: wow! my poor brothers....4th quarter, 10 seconds left and still falling 4 the okey doke. oh the things that would have been said about the great "air mcnair". how many of us so admired his talent and what he represented 4 us. so unfortunate all of his great accomplishments will forever be overshadowed by this gray cloud he has managed to create. Will the Black man ever learn
Name: jazzfan
Comment: I feel so sorry for his wife. Can you imagine not only learning that your husband has been killed, but to find out under those circumstances that he was seeing this young chick?
Name: oldschoolbrother
Comment: Not the way to go out at all. Another reason to just admire athletes and entertainers from afar and do not get carried away. They are just human as the rest of us. To get shot and killed by a 20 year old waitress from Dave and Busters? On your couch? Shot 4 times, that looks like a personal thing, she was not happy. Dayum.
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: WTF???? Oldschoolbrother, ol' girl either shot him and herself or her boyfriend did them both. SMDH!
Name: HersheysKiss
Comment: OSB...all of it sounds way too personal. Very disheartening, especially for the wife. IF the D & B waitress is the shooter, I still don't get what it is about relationships that drives one to kill. SMH
Name: bigheadbull2
Comment: New store just opened. "Jump offs R Us" Damn
Name: jazzfan
Comment: >HK: One news report says she had been telling people that they were going to get married. Maybe Steve had that convo with her to set her straight and introduce her to reality and she couldn't handle it.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: This is really sad, but not surprising. His wife hadn't heard from him in a couple days, and it could have been his routine. She knew what was going on I'm sure. Michael Jordan's dad would leave on his secret outings too. My heart goes out to the family.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: McNair's death is messy as I do not know what!smh I bet old girl was angry because he was about to quit her and take all of the stuff back.They were recently involved in some type of traffic stop, so McNair was probably scared that his 20 year old would heap bad press upon his already married head!What exactly is a role model?IMO, athletes should not be put on pedalstals and called role models because now his own sons will live with the stigma of their father's brutal and senseless murder by someone!Also, these guys need to stop toying with people's emotions because that is a sure way to end up in a pine box.
Name: barnone
Comment: 5> yeah never quite understood y athletes r referred 2 as role models? maybe back n the day some1 like ali, but 2day u'd b hard pressed trying 2 find an athlete u want ur child 2 pattern themselves after.
Name: HersheysKiss
Comment: Jazzfan..still not a reasonable defense. I've never even thought hurting myself or anyone else when a relationship ended. OH and I'm tired of the media only referring to her as his 'girlfriend'. Is there any confirmation of this? STILL SMH
Name: Sexee
Comment: It sounds to them like this sweet young girl could not do something as killing this big black man. *smirk* Men just because something looks good doesn't mean that it is good. Some women will not be played.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: barnone, I agree with you. And...I hate to bring up Vick but here it is anyway,lol! The owners of the Titans knew of this guys whoreish ways and still did nothing to put him in check. Look at him now with folk speculating about his lifestyle as rolemodel and a family man.The NFL should stop "picking and choosing" the players that they claim are nice and kind for the sport because some of them are straight up trife. Yall didn't care nothing for Michael Vick's fate at all but you will whine about McNair's fate.
Name: jazzfan
Comment: >HK: If she's 20 years old driving an Escalade registered in both of their names, something was up. And the Nashville police characterized them as having a "dating relationship".
Name: McNasty
Comment: I hope after the media gets past the dirty details they will remember him as the brother that made sure those caught up in Katrina on the Mississippi Gulf Coast weren't forgotten about. He was more than this tragedy just like MiJac was much more than his strangeness or his addiction - yet that seems to always be the lead in to both tragedies. Condolences to his family cause I know this won't be easy for his wife in more ways than one.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Barnone if there are exceptions it wouldn't be Ali - he invented the definition of man whore. We should admire people for their good works cause none of us do right all the time and we certainly can't expect that out of pro athletes and especially in light of the fact that somebody isn't raising their daughters right. Seems they all grow up and aspire to be uneducated jump offs, groupies and video ho's and none of them have any morals. These guys can't do this shyt without the help of some dumb as.s female looking to live large on someone else's dime!
Name: jazzfan
Comment: >McNasty: I agree with your statement about admiring the good in people, because none of us are perfect. But as far as the golddiggers, believe me, not all of them are uneducated. In fact, some of them use these athletes and entertainers to educate themselves. They've just found out that if they have a certain look and carry themselves a certain way that they can make more money opening their legs than in other ways.
Name: barnone
Comment: mcnasty> seems as though u further prove my point. y allow some gutter trash 2 taint ALL the good u do. and as 4 ali, despite his "whorish" ways, he was very much a race man. furthermore i would even go further in writing he at least had the good sense 2 deal w/ women who wouldn't land him on the cover of the newspaper 4 alleged indescretions. furthermore let's not oversimplify the issue at hand by reverting 2 the atypical argument that all human beings r flawed. ok so yeah obama might smoke, maybe he cheated on a test, maybe he's had impure thoughts about another woman, but at least we don't hear reports about him receiving fellatio from a hooker n a public restroom. some boundaries just should never b crossed.
Name: Lorraine315
Comment: I dont mean to speak ill of the dead BUT that girl looks PSYCHO- all kinds of crazy. She would of killed whoever the she was dating. The "If you leave me I'm gonna do something drastic" type. Oh a question about the guy who found the bodies Wayne Neeley- is he related the BBQ Resturant owning Neeley family of Tenn- who also have a cooking show on the Food Network- "Down Home with the Neeley's".?
Name: Conrad
Comment: EUR, why did you 'erase' my post on this last night? Censorship? I thought we lived in the land of free speech. My mistake. I didn't cuss or threaten anyone, just posed some facts and ONE speculation. When you're double dipping your dyck outside your marriage, be very careful it's not some crazy goldigging Arab who just might have a crazy Arab boyfriend. MOTHER, last night I posed the exact same thing. Steve met this goldigger waitressing in a restaurant; she and her boyfriend (whom she'd been with since she was 16!) moved from another town in Tennessee TOGETHER; old girl had been stopped by police two nights before the murder and/or suicide. Old girl, according to the police had bloodshot eyes, yet told the police she was not drunk, but high. WTF? Steve was a passenger in this vehicle, and get this, Steve put her on the vehicle as a co-owner. Anyway, the police did not even give old girl a breatholizer, but they did give her a pass and let her go. WTF! Now, like another poster said, Steve was tired of what had become old puzzy and wanted to move on to the next whore, old girl saw her big pay flying out the window, so she took him and herself out, or, her boyfriend staged the crime scene to look like old girl shot Steve multiple times, then shot herself so that it would look like a murder/suicide. EUR you can 'erase' this post, too, but you can't erase the facts! It really pizzes me off that you removed my post from last evening. Shooting the messenger does not change the facts!
Name: thechocolate10
Comment: Hey Mothership! I agree its either her crazy behind or her ex boyfriend!
Name: jazzfan
Comment: >Barnone: In Ali's time the media coverage was just different. When he showed up in the Phillipines in 1975 for the Thrilla in Manila, he came with Veronica Porsche, who became his 3rd wife. He was still married to Belinda, his 2nd wife. He even took Veronica with him to meet President and Mrs. Marcos. Legend has it that Belinda, who was a martial artist, flew nonstop to the Phillipines, went directly to Ali's hotel and beat his azz, then went back to the airport and flew nonstop back home.
Name: jazzfan
Comment: >Conrad: I have found that sometimes if you post in the evening on EUR if it is not a 'weekly' feature, that they might rerun the same story the next morning, but without the comments posted the previous evening. FYI.
Name: barnone
Comment: jazz> damn! i know sometimes when typing my thoughts don't come out n writing. but I DO BELIVE i conveyed quite clearly the difference between cheating, whoring and straight up infamy! dag, ali's luuuuv 4 more than 1 woman was very much displayed n "rumble n the jungle" that's no secret
Name: flytetime
Comment: My condolences and prayers go out to the families of those affected...such a tragedy...I've followed McNair's career since he was Alcorn when he played my alma mater and whipped our butts...lol...sorry that he got caught up in something so messy...
Name: nightshift
Comment: I don't do football, so I never heard of him....but, Damn shame is what it is...shame on him!! He was old enough to be this girls daddy (by today's standards). Getting killed by your jump-off is a b!tch, ain't it?
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->mcnasty and the dumb azz female couldn't do it without the help of these cocky azz athletes who can't seem to control their male organ acting like a 15 year old!
Name: touch26
Comment: FiveMore, R U fukkin' serious??? How in theeee hell could your try to compare what happened to McNair to what happened to Vick and the reaction to it all from the public?? The death of a person and the imprisonment of a person??? WTF?? And the nonsense about the "the Titans knew of this guys whoreish ways...." What did you expect the Titan's to do about that?? Why is it so hard for people to accept that people can be good people in a general sense and still cheat on their spouse?? He could've very well loved his wife very much, but had a lil something on the side. My point is that he was a human being with the same ability/right to have faults. We don't know if he and his wife were having problems. Hell, she probably knew he was doing his thing, as she may have been doing her own thing too. All I know is that a man is dead for a b.s. reason and instead of saying silly sht, I'll ask The Father to comfort the family and friends at this time. McNair was no different than the rest of us. He was kind, decent, and helpful but he had weaknesses just like you and me!!
Name: Stephanie
Comment: This is truly a result of some "deadly puzzy".
Name: Stephanie
Comment: FiveMore, I think you've solved the mystery on what really happened!
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: barnon and fivemore...what silliness u post. I'm glad jazz corrected barnone's complete misrepresentatoin of history and obvious illfeeligns about black men. A sitting governor confesses several rumps..clearly cheating on his wife..and barnone thinks adultery is a "black man thing"
Name: barnone
Comment: well TOUCH, u just may b on point. perhaps the sister did/does have her a lil sumpin sumpin on the side. but at least it hasn't landed her 6 ft under.
Name: Conrad
Comment: jazzfan, you may be right since Steve was pictured under the date July 3 when in fact it happened as far as we know on July 4. However, I see several of last night's post on the today's post, but maybe they had to try and recreate their previous posts as well.
Name: barnone
Comment: bannedntheusa> pls go take a reading comp class. NO WHERE N ANY OF MY POSTS did i write cheating was exclusive 2 black men. AND 4 THE RECORD, i have a man, A BLACK MAN. have never had anything but BLACK MEN and have never n ALL OF MY LIFE been scorned, bitter, disgruntled by a brutha. kay...kay?
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: barnone..ur right..u didn't. Your "when will black men learn" did.
Name: Reds
Comment: This was quite a fourth of July wkend, losing Steve McNair in such a tragic manner. You got to be careful when you are dealing with those fatal attraction Bs. I’m pretty sure she went psycho after McNair suggested that they cooled it off, because his biz was about to be out there as a result of the DUI. But I had quite a 4th of July wkend on the EUR myself. It seems that talking about Obama the “wrong” way on the EUR could end up being dangerous for your health also. Called a racist, yt, one person even took issue with my moniker… “if you are indeed Black (and I question the moniker REDS -- is that to set you apart from Black people)” … Wow! I really didn’t see that one coming. But as I said then, folks need to be less stressful on themselves and be thankful that we have a forum on the EUR that is, so far, free of any racist infestation. And believe me, I know what that means. I Remember years ago, like twelve years back, when I used to be on USENET, soc.culture.african.american. Now bear in mind that was not a moderated newsgroup. Well, just like here, we had the same like minded collection of black people, trying to engage each other in dialectic interaction, with one major exception. Every discussion was interrupted with anywhere from subtle to the most overt racism. The internet back then was not as “advanced” as it is today. There were far fewer, if any forums on the web for discussions as we have here, so you really didn’t have much choice outside of USENET. So believe me, I’m really thankful for this forum (and a lot of you need to be also). Actually, that’s where I heard about the EUR, from scaa.
Name: Reds
Comment: My condolences to the McNair family. This is almost like losing Michael. Most of us have followed McNair’s career from Alcorn. That’s why folks need to stop stressing over a moniker. But what a long way we have come, from having to deal with racists on a daily basis on scaa, to being worried about the name of another poster. I mean, for real. OK, it’s really just a name. As I told Conrad, who questioned the moniker Reds – “is that to set you apart from Black people?” … If I had given it that much thought then, I guess I would/should have used ‘Blacks’, instead. Not that it should matter, but it doesn’t’ have anything to do with my complexion, or my political leanings. I actually had to explain that during the campaign, when someone was insinuating that Reds had something to do with Republican, as in red state (some a y’all need to switch to Prisonplanet.com). … Basically, around the time when the EUR required posters to register a name, I chose reds, it being one of my favorite colors. Around that time, I also had just got a red car, so I was really in a ‘red’ mood (lol). But seriously, my favorite combination of colors are red, black, and white. Most of my shoes and clothes follow that flavor… Hopefully, no one else out there has given it that much thought, but just in case, without being too exact, since it shouldn’t matter anyway, I’m not as dark as Puffy, but darker than Ja Rule. So there you have me analyzed to a t.
Name: goodnplenty1957
Comment: Hmmm, wonder if the wifey found out, been casing the joint (like OJ), went in there and shot his raggedy-az/z/ FOUR TIMES!!!!..and shot her once, and the snuck out like a thief in the night!... FOUR TIMES!!!! that sounds like someone was really P'd off at HIM, not the young girl. HAYLE HAS NO FURY THAN A SISTA SCORNED. ...just something to think about.
Name: Conrad
Comment: MelodyCool, I STILL have questions as to why MJ's father pulled off to the side of a dark road to sleep, when everyone in this country knew that any hotel in Atlantic City would have gladly comped him a hotel SUITE overnight because he was MJ's father. Something fishy about that too. I've come to learn that athletes are indeed NOT role models for our kids, from Dr. J, whom I adored as a person who did the right thing, then having his yt daughter conceived outside his marriage to Turqoise, appear in a tennis match some years later. And let us not forget MJ, who had a yt wife and family on the other side of town from his Black wife and children. I've learned to give them their props on the basketball court or football field, but that is where my admiration stops. These kneegrows just keep the stereotype of hot Black bucks alive, by dipping their 'dycks' anywhere but home. And let's not speak on the Lakers who were having orgies (and still might be) with these nasty hoes in the damn, sweaty lockerrooms. I'm told that when Magic announced he was HIV positive, many of the Laker girls cried and prayed they weren't infected. Damn, I read that Arsenio Hall cried, but not because of his concerns about Magic, but about himself. Mo-fos holding Roman-style orgies in a freaking, funky locker room.
Name: barnone
Comment: ok my bad BANNEDUNTHEUSA, perhaps i was being presumptuous n thinking all would know that throughtout the passage of time yt twat has been 4 many of our brothers, their cryptonite. so please allow me 2 clarify, 4 many brothers who have made great strides and accomplishments, particularly n the fields of entertainment & sports they unfortunately have allowed 4 yt women 2 taint their accomplishments even n some cases destroy them. and y is this yt woman always some gutter trash who prior 2 hooking up w/ a brotha didn't have a pot 2 %*$! n nor a window 2 throw it out of. can some1 say oj/nicole, koby bryant/colorado hotel tramp, mike strahan and his yt goldigging viper, we can go on and on.
Name: Big10
Comment: >Lorraine315 I lokked on the Neeley's website and this Neeley is not one of the four Neeley brothers from the BBQ resturant. I don't know if it could be a relative though.
Name: sultry
Comment: The bottom line is this . McNair should have had his azz at home and how dumb of him to get a vehicle registered in your name and your fluzzy of a tramp girlfriend. McNair have disgraced himself and his famly as well. I do not see how his friend say thta he did not know he was seeing this girl when people say that he frequented the place so often that they thought he stayed there. He was involved with that woman no matter what they try and say otherwise..This is what happens when you go outside of the marriage. It is not right and not fair to the wife/children.
Name: Smokie1
Comment: The bottom line of all of this is, there are 4 boys that no longer have their father around and this stigma will follow them for the rest of their lives. Whatever the issues were for McNair and his wife were their issues to have and figure out, but now she'd better figure out how she is gonna answer to those boys as to why their father was in the company of another woman cause you know that will be the topic of conversation as they get older.
Name: barnone
Comment: thx conrad. my point exactly. not aware of 2 many cases of yt male athletes or entertainers parading around w/ sistas, fathering children out of wedlock with them, allowing some sista 2 tarnish all that they've achieved, etc. while married 2 their yt wives. we all know about the british guy hugh grant, but as 4 2 many brothas this nonsense is like clockwork...we know when 2 expect it.
Name: FiveMore
Comment: banned, I am not trying to start nothing with your homestate guy, right?All I was saying is that there is more to this story than meets our prying eyes.I hate this happened to McNair but this is what you get when you continuely act a fool in the streets. Oh, the NFL/TITANS know more than what they are telling the papers.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: >>>YO, YO!!!, None of ya'll know what went down...WTF is up with all this speculating?...Look, muthafuccers deal with tragedies in their own way...Their own way...We just lost MJ...Steve wanted to love a PYT...He wanted to love a PYT...That was his way of dealing with the loss of MJ...He just took a MJ song too far...Ya'll muthfuctures need to show some compassion...Where did ya come from baybee? and *whooo* Won't ya take me there, right away won't you baybee...Tenderoni, you got to beeee..
Name: touch26
Comment: barnone said; "well TOUCH, u just may b on point. perhaps the sister did/does have her a lil sumpin sumpin on the side. but at least it hasn't landed her 6 ft under." And your point is?????
Name: HersheysKiss
Comment: GoodNPlenty...I thought the same thing about the wife. Again, 4 shots is wayyyyyyy too personal. Again, still don't understand what drives people to kill over deaded relationships. And why do folks feel the need to confront the "other" person? Confront the mate!! Anger on that level is so unnecessary and gets you nothing but 20 to life or worse, DEATH!
Name: jazzfan
Comment: This story in today's USAToday highlights the good and the ugly: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-07-05 -steve-mcnair-cover_N.htm?csp=DailyBriefing
Name: jazzfan
Comment: >B00T: Well Steve tried to tell the PYT to Beat It, and now he's Gone Too Soon.
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: barnone...lol..yeah u were. This wasn't a white woman. She looked and sounds arabic. IS anything outside of black now considered white? McNair wasn't screwing a white woman. So I would amend ur statemtant and say that "puzzy" has been man's achilles heel from the moment Eve (sorta) stepped on the scene. U want to make this racial and I do not. That's where we disagree. Sanford, Clinton, Gingrich, Ensign, Edwards, Spitzer..we can go on and on. FIVE..of course there's more to the story..we don't even have a motive yet...lol
Name: pdub
Comment: ---->Smokie1, I have to co-sign your comments. My first thoughts went to how McNair's death will be explained to his kids. I just don't know how I would begin to explain the details to them if I were his wife and/or mother of his kids. Despite the sordid details, the whole thing is just sad no matter how you cut it. Two lives were unnecessarily lost and four boys are going to grow up without their Dad.
Name: Conrad
Comment: REDS, I am the person of whom you are speaking. If red is your favorite color, and that's why you post under that moniker, then please accept my apology, because I was wrong. I have no personal beef with you, but ALL of your posts about Obama are negative. Seems to me you could find something good to say about the man once in a while. And as I posted yesterday, Obama cannot fix the problems of 300 years of wrong done by these former azzhole presidents. We need to stop coming down so hard on our own when he is trying to make a change and perhaps levelling the playing field for all americans, not just yt people. That is going to take some time and we know it can't and won't happen overnight. As far as I'm concerned, the slate has been wiped clean between you and I and this is a new beginning. I will not compromise when blatant wrong has and is being done. I will compromise and offer you an olive branch, because that is important to me. I consider myself a pliable person and can usually see both or all three sides of a coin. I value balance and fair play, despite the fact that the yt powers that be have never been fair and balanced with us non-yt americans. Now, if you want to holla hello to me, I will holla hello right back at you.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: Truly sick about this..Steve McNair was the "MAN" on the field which is where I grew to love him. The only Quarterback I knew, with probably the exception of Brett Favre, that played the game like a damn warrior. I remember the day he beat the sh*yt out of my Steelers with broken ribs. He played the game indeed..With that said, I need to know why he chose to pick up this mole faced, Iranian looking heifer at a Dave and Buster's? Must have been some good azz service for him to go there with his wife and kids one night, then return to pick up the slutty waitress who waited on them. I'm completely disgusted by it all and quite frankly fed the Phvuck up by men who step out on their wives for what they think is some nookie on the side, then find themselves caught up in some fatal attraction shy*t when you decide you had enough fun with this one. He had no idea who he was phucvking..What if this heifer decided to stalk then kill his wife and kids instead.
Name: Conrad
Comment: BOOT, Steve was sleeping with that crazy azz Arab for months. MJ just crossed over less than two weeks ago. Now I'm finding out from our fellow posters that Steve was a straight up ho. I was a big, big fan of Steve and I'm sorry he is dead. I'm not sorry about the golddigger, and if she in fact did it, she should have only blown her own brains out, and left him alive to at least be there for his 4 children.
Name: TGen
Comment: Not too long ago, I was thinking it would be cool if he could come play for the Falcons, replace a Black QB with another one, but it was not to be. I had no idea he had the reputation as clean-cut "family man," but as happens so often, that reputation turns out to have been a farce. Someone on this site the other day was deifying the president about how much of a "family man" he was, and I cautioned them to slow down. Best not to label folks because more times than not, they will disappoint you. That seems to be a big part of why this story has hit some so hard, they thought he was one way ("they" including apparenlty his family), but turns out he was another way. I think the story is tragic, but I'd be remiss to not admit that I've heard more than one person admit that some of the overall tragedy of the situation is tempered because he was such a Dog (not Dawg as in he was a Q, lol) but Dog as in a cheating azzhole who not only had an affair, but appears to have been unashamed by his philandeering ie getting a car in HIS AND THE HOMEWRECKER'S NAME (wtf?), going on vacations and TAKING PICTURES WITH HER (TMZ has pics!), and even having his own apt [probably[ outside of the knowledge of his wife. These details make his story more seedy than sympathetic in some respects. All thoughts and prayers belong to his family. For his soul though? Hmmm, verdict still out on that one. But I digress. PSA: Men with roving eyes, ARE YALL PAYING ATTENTION???
Name: blackdragon
Comment: Rest in peace, Steve McNair. And rest in peace to the woman as well.
Name: Exmun
Comment: I believe Touch26 has captured the essence of how I feel and imma cosign "Why is it so hard for people to accept that people can be good people in a general sense and still cheat on their spouse?? He could've very well loved his wife very much, but had a lil something on the side. My point is that he was a human being with the same ability/right to have faults. We don't know if he and his wife were having problems. Hell, she probably knew he was doing his thing, as she may have been doing her own thing too. All I know is that a man is dead for a b.s. reason and instead of saying silly sht, I'll ask The Father to comfort the family and friends at this time. McNair was no different than the rest of us. He was kind, decent, and helpful but he had weaknesses just like you and me!!"
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: can some1 please posts stories of Steve's whorish past? If we're gonna tarnish the man..at least let's use facts..the thing we don't wanna do re: MJackson.
Name: Exmun
Comment: A lot of us have a big issue with accepting the humanity of others. No one is perfect. Personally, I think this situation, however it turns out, is sad and way more than tragic. But none of these feelings will cause me to not remember and accept Steve McNair for his good works. He was a man's man on the football field. As a fan of the game, I've long admired for how we played the game as a damn gladiator... the kind of man that other men would follow, block for, protect, and win for. You can't just erase that because he has a lapse in judgment. He wasn't god. And off the field, his leadership in responding to Hurricane Katrina victims is the stuff made of legends. You can't erase that for a lapse in judgment. R.I.P. Air McNair.
Name: jazzfan
Comment: EUR: Steve McNair wasn't gay, was he? Then the word is HOMICIDE, not HOMOCIDE!!
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: This is one of those "you reap more than you sow" kind of moments. You put bad energy out into the world and sometimes it comes back on you two-fold. The problem in this case as with others is that the "reaping" or karma or whatever you want to call it sometimes punishes the loved ones, the innocent parties. As for the wife, I hope he had a good money situation and a good life insurance policy that pays out double if it's murder and if all of that is the case, Mrs. McNair is bout to get PAID! That may not ease the pain and maybe even the humilation but it can help. That's a f--- you, hubby for every dime she spends. But not to put her down at all, these wives know their husbands step out. They know when they take the marriage vows with an athlete that he is going to cheat. I mean, come on. They all do it. ALL OF THEM. You name me one athlete who doesn't cheat and I'll counter with - he hasn't been caught YET or it hasn't been publicized. All the p---- thrown at them. Come on. It would take Jesus's favorite baby cousin to resist all of that and having the ego of an athlete who feels entitled to all that extra p----, come on. Really. This time, he bit off more than he could chew. You mess with crazy and crazy will get you. Having been harassed by an ex's crazy jump off - I know first hand how crazy can jack up a relationship and a situation period for the man and the innocent parties. I can imagine how bad the wife must feel but I can also say that she may be glad his azz is dead because she probably wants to kill him herself for doing all of this to her. Hell hath no fury applies to the one who gets cheated on as well. Remember that chick who ran over her husband and then backed up and ran over his azz again a few years ago? A wife done wrong. Nuff said.
Name: GHank
Comment: All I can say is.....WOW!!!!!!!!! I am literally speechless........ If this was a murder-suicide, he must have put the "Mississippi mojo" on her. I just don't understand it..a 20 year old of Iranian decent?!!! It just makes no sense to me.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >jazz - You are funny. LOL. I didn't even catch that and I'm a pretty good speller/proofreader. Of course Mas90 may pop up in here and say he was cuz in Mas90's world e'rybody is gay. LOL
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: LOl @ Queen I hear ya! But how do you phuvck with someone who is 100 degrees uglier than your wife? The trick must of sucked a good azz "D". And I hate to say it, but how dumb does Steve look in those photos with this slut? My pain is for the wife and kids..Who wants to see and hear all this shy*t?
Name: McNasty
Comment: Whynot I call the female dumbas.s cause its no secret that the man is already married and that's a boundary unequivocally that should never be crossed. He can ask and its her choice as to how to answer. I wish sometimes people would realize that if a woman says no - none of this shyt would happen and it would keep some married men honest. Yup he should have remained honest with his wife and family and only had eyes for his wife. In a perfect world!
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: Ex DC mayor Marion Barry just arrested for stalking his jump off! What da phuvck!
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: QB believes "Air Mc got what he deserved"...WOW. Ironically, that's what the people who agreed w/Tiller's (abortion doc) death also believed. SMH.
Name: MOTHERSHIP
Comment: Hey, Conrad, Chocolate!
Name: Closet_Nerd_Girl
Comment: This is so very sad. Another black man cut down in his prime over some bullcrap. The real tragedy is that his good works and contributions to the community will be overshadowed by the trifiling way in which he died- all because he couldn't keep it in his pants. Be that as it may, I don't beleive McNair deserved what happened to him. (He deserved an azz-kicking, but not this.) I feel so bad for his family- they lost a husband, father, son, brother and friend. His sons will probably have to fight every day at school, because you know the other kids will tease them. *sigh* When will folks learn that when they make bad decisions, it affects those around them and those who love them? Lord have mercy on his soul.
Name: TGen
Comment: I'm not going to call names at the moment, I'm just going to say that I find "some" posters' excuse-making offensive. It is NOT out of line to mention McNair's wrong deeds, as they WERE WHAT LED TO HIS DEATH, ie THE STORY! YES, he was a person with wonderful qualities and deserved some of the accolades he received, BUT it was his affair with a woman other than his wife (he was not divorced and his wife says they weren't separated) that led to his demise. Someone pointing that out is NOT insensitive or vindictive or whatever. FACTS are what they are! Geez. "Some" posters (some of my faves btw, which really sucks!) would do well to admit that and while they ask that people accept the good of McNair, realize that folks can also comment on the not-so-good, which is really the CRUX OF THIS STORY.
Name: GHank
Comment: I always say that you have to seperate the person from the talent he/she posseses.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Excuses, excuses, another black widow & orphan kids.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @Sexee, --->"Some women will not be played." <----- I'm sure she felt used and wasn't about to let this Black man off the hook so easily. I believe he was stringing her along and once she fully wised up she took revenge.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >banned - I didn't say that he got what he deserved. I said that you reap what you sow. You do. For instance, say you find an Ipod in the locker room at the gym and you don't turn it in. Instead you keep something you know ain't yours. Well, what sometimes happens is you lose something you wanted or something in an unrelated part of your life happens that is bad. You DO reap what you sow. You do. It's a fact of life. There is no "he got what he deserved" in saying that. Does a person deserve to die for adultery? No. He deserves to be taken to the mofo cleaners. That's what I would do.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Tired of hearing that saga, he was a good man but had no respect for his own family.Men with money buy their side piece affections, the same way these young ladies think sex will keep a older man.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >MC - Stringing her along? They were dating for a few months, not years. That's not enough time to "string somebody along". The relationship is still new. They were talking about that on the radio this morning. Such is life. I guess it was stringing along in her eyes. I would guess that he was telling her it was over and to give back the truck and get out and she was like, "Uh uh. It's not going down like that. I ain't goin back to D&B with my tail between my legs. Nope." Pop, pop, pop, pop.
Name: Reds
Comment: Conrad, it’s all good. I may have gone too far on my criticism of Obama over the MJ situation, but as someone said, yts have still continued the negativity towards MJ, even in death. All of this taken into consideration, I really didn’t have much patience for anyone not being in Michael’s corner at this time, as Obama seems to have been initially. If anything, this should be a chance for him to stick it to those yts who are still dissing Michael. … As far as me coming down hard on Obama, you will notice that I’m not the one to say Obama should have accomplished this or that already, in terms of things that’s on his agenda of what needs to be done. Like turning around the economy or passing health care reform. I don’t even stress him about those. The stuff which irks me, is when Obama does something that disappoints me, when compared to what he campaigned on. Stuff which Bush did which we all thought would be discontinued under an Obama admin. As we speak, Obama is hesitating on releasing some CIA memo before redacting a bunch of stuff, while he campaigned on transparency. I could go on, but you get my drift. I just want the man to do a complete reversal of Bush, prosecute those criminals and let the country get its name back.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @Conrad, I hear ya on that first post. A neighbor saw the girlfried leave her own apartment in a huff just the other night. Things were probably coming to a head at that point. It's going to be interesting to see if Steve was shot with his own gun. I read he has a license to carry one but was charged with gun possession some time ago only to have charges dropped.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: How da PHUVCK did OBAMA get thrown in the mix?..Oh I get it, his wife's name is Michelle and so is Steve McNair's (?) Okay...
Name: Conrad
Comment: "LOl @ Queen I hear ya! But how do you phuvck with someone who is 100 degrees uglier than your wife? The trick must of sucked a good azz "D". TJ, you crazy as hell. Perhaps the reason she shot him was because he wouldn't kiss her after she sucked that dyck dry! On a more serious note, yt athletes, h.e.l.l. yt men, from my personal experience, cheat just as much as Black men. Now before you get it twisted, I didn't sleep or date a one of these yt mo-fos who tried to holla at me. I even told one yt, executive mo-fo, I don't do yt men. Two hours later he came back and said that was some stupid shyt to say. I countered with it took you two hours to come back with that retort, you pill-popping, needle-dyck mo-fo. Now report me, so I can contact, ABC, CBS, and NBC and tell them about your drug habit and sexual harassment. Mo-fo never bothered me again. And I worked in entertainment law, so mo-fos flying in from the west coast thought I was fair game. I quickly dispelled that illusion. See, yt men seem to choose their hos a bit more carefully (perhaps with the exception of that European basketball player in Texas, who was screwing one crazy yt %*$!( who is now in jail and pregnant with what is supposed to be his baby, and whom he has petitioned the court to have sole custody of said baby), and when the shyt is over, they pay them off or, G-d forbid, with all these missing yt women, have their azzez sleeping with the fishes. I have to wonder if this shyt has been going on to this extent forever, or with the information highway, the dirt is getting out their more quickly. Bottom line is Steve's dyck has allowed his legacy as a great Black quarterback to be eclipsed by a nasty, ugly Arab ho.
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ...>jazz, that was clever...I'm with banned the man...Does anybody have any proof 'bout McNair's whoreish ways?...Maybe the muthfucture was in the wrong place at the wrong time...This was a 20 year old Arab chick huh?...Cats bettah be careful tryna hook-up with Kardashian looking chicks...I know brothas into that right now...Anybody know where Reggie Bush is?
Name: Exmun
Comment: Another thing that few are talking about is the girlfriend's age. I know it's commonplace these days for grown men to be fooling with young girls just out of their teens, but honestly it's just silly. Even the most mature 20 year old is not mature enough to handle grown folks business. A youngster's performance in the sack might be porntastic, but once you have to actually deal with the mentality or a 20 year old, who lacks sufficient life experience to be a true match for a grown man, you understand why a relationship like McNair's was a no-go. A 15 year age difference might be ok if we're talking about a 75 year old and a 60 year old... or perhaps a 60 year old and a 45 year old. But 36 (McNair's age) and a damn 20 year old? Come on maing... who was really being fooled?
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: TG..(and some of this will apply to QB)..there will always be varying degrees re: the extent people think one should go in discussing the recently deceased/bereaved. I don't think there is too much negativity about Mike only because there's a 9/1 ratio of his greatness. Some believe otherwise. I was more affected by the coverage of the near "seconds" after Sean Taylor's death when you had noted black journalists and the expected white media intimate what caused his death. In that instance it was way TOO fast for that..only to be proven wrong. That said, I look at QB's "reap what u sow" the same as Taylor. I'm not really a karma person because karma has lil precision and kinda out of sync from christi..well..i don't know about karma. We're taught that when it's ur time to go..u go. Steve's death could be a result of having reach his time..albeit under not so gud circumstances.
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->McNasty still doesn't fly with me because if the men weren't out there making themselves available for these women then they wouldn't have anything to say "no" or "yes" to.....i'm sorry i don't buy your attempts at excusing a married man's behavior. he is the one who took the vows so the other woman doesn't owe the married woman anything but her husband sure does.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @Conrad ----> "These kneegrows just keep the stereotype of hot Black bucks alive,"<--- This number 1 stereotype is absolutely critical to their identity. If there's one thing many of them want the world at large to believe is that they are all about "squirting" in every hole they encounter.
Name: dede0320
Comment: I personally do not have sympathy for the man. I do have sympathy for his wife and kids. Forget all the good things that he has done, which btw were wonderful things. However, he made a vow, he broke the vow, I do not care if he and Mechelle were separated at the time, he should have been more DISCREET, PERIOD. I am so tired of people trying to defend wrong. HE put his wife and kids in harms way becuase of this ugly woman...she asked for it, no one had respect for these children. WTH, it cut and dry he was wrog, you canot spin it any other way. Steve was a hoe when he was in Houston playing for the Oilers well known, we do not need pictures, his death is proof. He got so comfortable doing this ish, he did not do a background check or credit check on this crazy Persian Kurd/Turd and it cost him his life. I talked to my 17 year old son last night, broke it down, told him no one is that good for you to take your life over and f up their life, because they don't want you...and please get to know these heifers, because there are more anti-depressant meds being dispensed than we know about. Remember:YOURLIFE CHOICES TODAY RESULT IN YOUR LIFE CONSEQUENCES TOMORROW!!! I mean we can debate about this man's death for days, but he got caught, and now he is sitting in line somewhere near the gates of heaven or hell, wondering how did I get here? WTH happened ? He lost his life behind a sidepiece that he was trying to play, his number was up, plain and simple!!
Name: GHank
Comment: It just doesn't sit right with me. I simply can't see a 20 year old "girl" of Iran decent putting 4 slugs in Steve McNair and then taking herself out.
Name: dede0320
Comment: excuse my typos...trying to type too fast..
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >whynotme - I tend to agree with McNasty but I see what you are saying. All involved should honor the marriage vow. You see a ring on a woman or man's finger and keep moving. If you don't see one, you ask. The married person should honor his/her vows as well, and that's a matter of course. But I think what McNasty is saying is that too many women allow themselves to be jump offs and disrespect other women by being jump offs and that is part of the problem. A jump off IS responsible for adultery just as the married person is. You DO owe that married woman respect just as you owe anyone respect - including yourself. Being someone's back burner chick shows you have absolutely no respect for yourself and it shows that the man has absolutely no respect for you either or he wouldn't have put you in that position. Many times when all is said and done, the man will portray the jump off as a trick, not his lady love. That governor is an exception to that. Apparently he was ga ga in love with her. If that's the case, he should've left/divorced his wife and then gotten with her. By making someone "the other woman" you are disrespecting her as well. I don't think women realize that. If a man doesn't consider you worthy of marriage and keeps you a secret, he is disrespecting you. Period. And that's on the woman. He is disrespecting you as much as he is disrespecting his wife.
Name: TGen
Comment: Great post Dede0320. But lol at "Persian Kurd/Turd!" Ha!
Name: kevobx12
Comment: It always seems ironic, the so called pretty girls always with the married men.Women are in total control of themselves.Emotional cheating is an often occurance.
Name: dede0320
Comment: Thanks , TGen, lol
Name: MsFresno
Comment: I feel sorry for the kids and wife.
Name: MsFresno
Comment: Kevo she wasnt pretty
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @barnone ---> "but as 4 2 many brothas this nonsense is like clockwork...we know when 2 expect it." <---- Yes, it's almost like clockwork. You can almost feel when it's time for another scandal of this sort. I've always believed more Black men will go down in similar fashion like McNair. One got taken down in the jungles of Brazil and I expect more incidents down there in particular. They're easy prey. A Black millionaire in NJ picked up a drug addicted latina...took her in and cared for her as his woman. She got two of her homeboys to ambush and murder him as he sat in his own car. Just before he died he hit the speed dial to his former girlfriend, and you could hear the latina screaming in the background "kill him!"...all this captured on voicemail. The latina lied and said she wanted them to rob him only. It's to the point most non-Blacks feel Black men are very easy marks for "whitish" azz. And I expect more non-Black men to actually work with their women to set these guys up.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Then there was something pretty amazing about her, for a married man to put her name on his deeds.
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: dede...even though sympathy is a human feeling..no one really asked for it. I go back to the MJack argument. This morning I listened to Peter King (R-NY) talk about how ridiculous it is to cover MJ as a hero when he was a "pedophile, child molester, criminal" as well as other stuff. He had no sympathy..so although I couldn't imagine not feeling something about both these deaths...I realize that people "feel" differently about things. Lastly, I do hope that you poorly paraphased wut u said to your 17-yr old son. As a man and IMO, I would rather FIRST finding out what the investigation concluded because as w/Sean Taylor..u don't know what happened. As a black man, he will know what it "feels" like to have your every motive questioned FIRST then find out the facts but should know when to call a spade a spade. 2 minutes of the 1st quarter? Come on.
Name: PRDC
Comment: Such sad news, especially after MJ death. No one know what really happened in that house, I feel sorry for both of them. It may have been the old ex-boyfriend to do this since the guy was found under her. We have to wait until. He was an p standing guy, but the temptation out here today is hard for men and peole can say what they want until it hits home. For him to take his family to the restuarant where she worked is strange...why would he want to do that. That young thing freaked him out, something he wasn't use to and he fell for her and she for him for what it is worth. They have been dating for 5 months and he already bought her a SUV. He had strong feelings for her, she was much to young for him and he told her that he was leavinghis wife and knew he wasn't and even if he did she was way toyoung for him to marry her. You see guys, if you are going to cheap, be straight up from the start and don't be leading these women along, becausenot all will take it. I know some married women will just jump all over this, but its in a man's nature, not that you are not giving him at home, he just want something else, and if it wasn't her, then he would approach another woman and some would be able to deal with his situation but when you start lying from the start, you have trouble on your hands.....
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: LOL @ DeDe good azz post..LMAO!.. GHANK this heifer had "talliban" written all over her. She looks eerily familiar to the Iranian chick shot dead in the street a couple weeks ago.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: McNasty --->"Whynot I call the female dumbas.s cause its no secret that the man is already married and that's a boundary unequivocally that should never be crossed." <--- They specialize in making non-Blacks feel superior to Black women, and I'm sure he emphasized all this to the Iranian woman which goes without saying. This incident is going to spur others...watch.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: I saw that shy*t too banned, but I say PHUVCK him. He's probably an Elvis impersonator on the side. Did he say the same about Elvis' fat drug addicted azz?..How about Jerry lee Lewis's child molesting/then marry the little girl azz? This punk has to know he cannot tarnish the image of Michael Jackson the musical genius; the humanitarian; the world renowned icon..His white azz is in the minority!
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Everybody wants their wedding cake & silver spoon.
Name: Conrad
Comment: TJ, Obama got thrown into the mix because last night my Scorp was rising and I let loose on REDS. If you read one of his earlier posts, he spoke on it and I answered. Nothing to do with Steve or that crazy, ugly Arab (and we ALL know that Arabs are no friends of Black people. If you don't believe me, turn to Sudan and see who is categorically murdering Black people, today). Anyway, REDS and I are cool now, cause I ain't about to lose my intelligent Black friends in a chat room. And since we went off topic already, did you see Rev. Al last night blast the media and speak with that fine-azz Don Lemons on how unfair the press has been to Michael by bringing up so many negatives when Elvis and Sinatra had as many if not more negatives in their lives, but the yt media gave them a pass. How, when Elvis died, they omitted all shyt and drugs he'd been doing for Lord knows, how many years, even when he had Priscilla living at his complex in Tennessee when she was only 14? Or how they gave Frank Sinatra, a wannabe mafiosa, and the main one to make sure Sammy got sloppy sixths on the yt hos they passed around like a joint, including that drug addict Peggy Lipton that Quincy Jones married). Elvis and Sinatra were okay, but Michael was the MAN and it's going to take me a long time to get over his passing, despite the fact that I am conflicted that Michael went to such uber extremes to change the beautiful Black skin he was born in.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @kevobx12 ---> "he was a good man but had no respect for his own family." <--- Plenty of well-heeled men believe their spouses "owe" them these indiscretions for providing a certain lifestyle. I feel bad for his wife because her life was at risk from diseases...plus some jump-offs come after the wives when husbands won't leave family. Country men ain't no joke.
Name: dede0320
Comment: Bannned>>you make some valid points, and yes I have explained more that you know tomy 17 year old about being a black man and what to expect. I don't look at the world through ROSE COLORED glasses, because I cannot. I do not have sympathy for McNair at this time becuase regardless of who killed him or how he dies, he still put his wife and kids in harm's way. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE!! He as a black man, should have been the last one to try to disrespect his wife and kids. True, no one deserves to die like that for anything, but what proof do we need? Pics of him on vacay with this slore, the title to the car, they being found dead together....the proof is in the pudding. IMO we coddle our black sons to darn much, I call a spade as I see it...I will not compare Steve's death to Michael's, 2 totally different deaths and circumstances..
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->queeniebunz i'm not saying the woman is responsible....a woman should respect another woman but if she doesn't them the woman should at least count on her husband who took the vows with her to respect her more than that woman does. she doesn't OWE the woman anything but she COULD/SHOULD respect that union....mcnasty is simply saying that the woman should say no and that would stop a man from cheating but what about him not making himself available? so if a married woman cheats, is it the man's fault for not saying no to that married woman or is it still that married woman's fault alone?
Name: dede0320
Comment: thanks TJ..tailiban..HAHA LOL,
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->queeniebunz and also a lot of women would agree with you & mcnasty because alot of women are programmed to blame the other woman and think that if she would have said no then it wouldn't have happened but in reality it's both of their faults for agreeing to do it.....but when it boils down to it, the other woman didn't take vows with you and most times don't even know you so why would you expect her to have any type of feelings for you and most of all respect for you?
Name: oldschoolbrother
Comment: Ghank, off topic my son got accepted at Grinnell College btw. Starts school August 22, full ride except for two stacks. He was able to ignore the ugliness out here and stay focused on the books. Speaking of McNair, watch the movie Crossing Over or look up honor killings. If this young girl did this, I want to know how she got the jump on Steve with a loaded weapon. Dayum.
Name: oldschoolbrother
Comment: As far as jump offs go, if anyone attends the NBA All Star weekend, all of this talk goes out of the window. Here in Chicago, every year when it was Jordan's birthday, celebrity gossip would talk about how in the middle of winter women would come to his parties wearing next to nothing, or going commando in front of him and his wife. For each woman on this board who will say they will not cheat with a married man there are 20 who would do it for the right amount of $$$$.
Name: Conrad
Comment: "...Anybody know where Reggie Bush is?" Probably somewhere trying to get treatment as his dyck rots from the inside out. As a Black woman, I am a little more than irate today over these kneegrows' continuing indiscretions outside their marriages. Falling into the first availabe nasty, STD-carrying golddigging non-Black , ugly holes they see without a hat on. And this bytch was ugly and looked pretty damned hard to be 20. Damn, if you're going to cheat on your wives, wear a raincoat, and try, please try to exercise some discretion, and fock up, not down, because you're going to be made more fun of because of the fact that you found some ugly, nasty skizzer to screw. I am drained!
Name: dede0320
Comment: ^^^They were both wrong!!!She knew he was married with 4 children, he knew he was married with 4 children, but she made a choice to try to sit on her butt and not have to wrok and become Mrs. S McNair #2, it did not happen, she offed herself or her ex SO offed her. However, Steve made the vow to his wife, he should have cancelled said vow and moved on...He probably still would have been popped , but his wife and kids would not have been publicly humiliated and embarassed. Steve had no intentions of marrying that Persian turban.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Yep, a wife finding out her hubby is murdered & his mistress in a rented condo.Where's the love? Woman are in control of their mind & body. Flattering words don't mean a thing.What goes around comes back hefty.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @dede --->"IMO we coddle our black sons to darn much, I call a spade as I see it"<---- Too many of us try to "normalize" bad behavior and make it acceptable. I know a man who lives with a woman and I respect her as his wife. This fool still tries to talk to me as though his relationship shouldn't matter.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >whynotme - Um, I never said the other woman should be blamed completely. I never said that. The man is the one who disrespected his wife. He is the one who put his wife and family in harms way - she could've gone to his house and shot the wife or whatever. Clearly she was crazy enough to do it. But what I did say was that the woman is to blame just as much as the man. Period. And I even got banned's boxers in a bunch because he accused me of saying the guy got what he deserved so how can you say that I blame the woman more than the woman? It can't be both. Bottom line for me - people shouldn't cheat. If a man is married, he should honor the vow he made before God. If a woman knows a man is married, she should move on to one who isn't. Period. Does that clear it up for you and banned? Jeez.
Name: Conrad
Comment: banned (a/k/a M---, welcome back). We don't need to post pictures of Steve's whorish ways. The TMZ pictures, the car in his and her name and him being shot dead in his love hole (pun intended) speaks volumes. To all the sisters on this board, I understand that we have been through this scenario far too many times and we are tired. To the brothers, please try and understand just how focking tired we are and all that we want for the brothers is to grow up and take responsibility for their actions. No one, I repeat, no one should lose their life for cheating on their spouse. That being said, Steve placed himself in harm's way by dealing with that ugly Arab bytch of another culture entirely foreign to our own. Maybe it was her but until further investigations prove differently, I do believe her crazy azz Arab boyfriend did it.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: I get the feeling at times, people are married for convenience,or maybe to look good in other people eyes.
Name: GHank
Comment: oldschoolbrother>>>>>Man...a serious congrats on you and your son. Wow!....he is really going to a pretigious college. As far as as the Steve McNair stuation, it's really hard for me to believe that she shot him like that. Didn't they find the gun underneath her? Was she shot on the head? I'm no CSI person, but when you shoot yourself in the temple, doesn't the gun go away from you? But I'm sure when they finish the autopsy on her, I will know more. Again, congrats on your son. That is wonderful.
Name: Reds
Comment: Conrad, are you sure your post was erased? I know the EUR was targeting a few of us, but they seem to have eased back off of that. I also say this because there is still a post of yours on the weekend edition. Because it was a breaking story, they posted the McNair article then, and again on the Monday page.
Name: TGen
Comment: Conrad: "please try to exercise some discretion" Funny you mention that, I was JUST talking about that over the weekend with someone. I was saying how this seems to be a new breed of dog these days. They have NO shame! BLATANT disrespect of their wives and families. It's mindboggling to me. Those in Atlanta know a few years ago, the convicted former mayor Bill Campbell was seemingly PROUD of his homewrecker, took her around the world on vacations, TOOK PICTURES (just like this McNair guy), the whole nine. Didn't back in the day it was considered WRONG to have a mistress and dogs tried to hide their homewreckers? lol But now, you look here at this McNair thing and then that bizarro SC governor giving public interviews calling his mistress his "soulmate" and admitting to other affairs, unabashedly humiliating is wife and kids. smh I just don't get this newfound blatant disrespect. I mean, it's almost hostile, like the INTENTION is to humiliate the fam. Just wow.
Name: Conrad
Comment: REDS, I didn't even check. I just went into the Steve McNair post like I did last night and couldn't find my post. Of course after they banned M---(and he's back, thank G-d), I wouldn't put anything pass the EUR monitors.
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->GHank she could have shot him that many times if she caught him off guard. they did say he was sitting on the sofa but you do have a point about her being on top of the gun, now that seems a bit weird....maybe she shot herself in the head and then stuck the gun under herself.....probably not.....maybe the friend did it, he did find them and then called another guy who called the police.....why didn't he call them when he found them? this situation is just weird.
Name: Conrad
Comment: TGen, I'm in Atlanta and years ago when Campbell was mayor, an acquaintance of mine who was married to an ex-Atlanta cop told me how her ex-husband told her they were regularly called to the mayor's mansion because Bill used to beat the shyt out of his wife. However, the police would QUASH it, not even making a report because he was mayor. I believe it because everytime I'd see that woman she looked like she had been beaten down. Thank goodness, for the last 8 years, Shirley has kept that position drama-free. Now that mental midget of a DA in Fulton County wants to run for mayor, and I'm fighting it with everything in my being. Atlanta is in enough trouble, economically and corruption-wise and we don't need that fool pushing it over the edge!
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: do the ol school dance..the ol dance school dance! Son in college? That's ALWAYS gud news. Conrad, oh my bad..i misunderstood..at one point it seemed as if people were suggesting that cheating had been a consistent theme in Steve's life...which will helps in further eroding his image post-death. I personally don't believe that how did died will matter more than what he did. Some it will..but prolly not Steve. The same was said about Sean Taylor. Not so much now. BTW..u r being quite racist here...good grief. TGEN..it's still considered the same..it's less likely to keep it a secret. Remember we voted Clinton AFTER the affair and both of them have survived...even if only in a political sense.
Name: TGen
Comment: Conrad, PAUL HOWARD? He's interested in running for mayor? Seriously? He is the WORST, most INCOMPETENT, DA I've ever seen? HE wants to run? Wow. I though Kasim Reed was the frontrunner. Hmmm
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Woman who say they rather be by themselves, will be by themselves.If you want to be loved, you bring love. If you want things, you get things.
Name: dede0320
Comment: Exactly TGen,that "soulmate"word gets to me everytime!!!How could he fix his mouth to say that ish?Unbelievable!!
Name: TGen
Comment: Banned, I'm glad you bring up Clinton because that goes to my point and I said this in the convo over the weekend. "Even CLINTON had the 'decency' to LIE!" lol He was not out there blatantly philandeering and he didn't give interviews disrespecting his wife. Yes he was a dog, but at least he showed discrestion, well er um, if you consider getting a bj in the Oval Office discreet (which it is if your pudgy little mistress keeps her trap shut, lol), but you get my point. Even the doggiest dogs AT LEAST showed some modicum of respect for the family THEY created. But nowadays, it seems different. I'm just tripping that married men actually take pictures (ie create a RECORD) with their side pieces? In what world is that okay? Is it different now or does it just seem that way? I don't remember that kind of bold cheating in years past.
Name: dede0320
Comment: bannedintheusa..Welcome back... I just realized who you were, I got you mixed up with Conrad a couple of weeks ago, my bad Conrad...
Name: Conrad
Comment: "....maybe she shot herself in the head and then stuck the gun under herself." I don't think so, because she would have fallen immediately and perhaps the gun fell and she fell on top of it. Though from the murder mysteries I've read and watched, the gun is usually in the hands of the suicide victim or at the side on which the bullet entered. Still it is possible. "maybe the friend did it, he did find them and then called another guy who called the police.....why didn't he call them when he found them? this situation is just weird." I agree with you there. I had to go back and read that part a second time, because I would've run out the house screaming like a bytch had I been the one who found them. Calling another party before the police is just strange to me. Yet, maybe that is how he handles things. I'm really not a conspiracy theorist, but maybe the first guy who found them had beef with Steve and it escalated into Steve being shot multiple times. Given that scenario, the girl would have been shot because she would have been able to identify the shooter. I do believe that if a third party killed Steve and the skank, be it her boyfriend or Steve's roommate (that's strange too, to my way of thinking), it will come out, because people really cannot keep secrets!
Name: kevobx12
Comment: If men are becoming more dogish, the women becoming so independent. What are the kids really learning.Ugly is what you do, not someone outward appearance I believe.
Name: whynotme
Comment: --->Conrad i know she didn't tuck the gun under herself, i was being sarcastic.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: I have a co-worker who actually watched a friend kill himself and she said that you would think the person would fall back but her friend fell back then slumped forward. It IS possible for it to happen this way. Y'all should google forensics of a suicide or something like that to see how it can happen. I may do it myself. Google is a wonderful thing. Perhaps Michael Baden has a page. He's one of the forensics experts they used for the OJ trial, I believe. He's known all around the country.
Name: whynotme
Comment: ---->queeniebunz ok i didn't know that....just seems weird that it would happen that way.
Name: Exmun
Comment: Kev, I'm agreeing with you. Let me throw this slightly rhetorical question in there. Isn't doggishness a man attempting to express his "independence?" So is there anything all that different from McNair and the hosts of today's women doing things "independent" of men? Just saying.
Name: GHank
Comment: quenniebunz>>>I ain't gonna lie...I was watching "The Streets of San Francisco" on DVD (in memory of Karl Malden) and I was looking thriugh his eyes wondering how I would solve the case of Steve McNair. But seriously, I just can't see her doing that without help, but like you said, anything is possible. Did she shoot Steve while he was sleeping? I just can't see Steve being shot 4 times and sitting on the couch.
Name: Reds
Comment: Conrad: "maybe the friend did it, he did find them and then called another guy who called the police.....why didn't he call them when he found them?” …Yeah, I thought that was weird of him not calling the police, but I had another theory. First, what was really going on at that apartment? Menage a trios? Was this guy Neeley also married? He may have been in a panicky mood, not sure what to do knowing that the situation was going to be bad for him also.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: Damn, that's a f@%&ed up way to go.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >kev - I don't understand your post. Are you saying that men are being dogs because women are too independent? Ex -Are you agreeing with that? Or, am I completely wrong on both counts - entirely possible because I really didn't understand the first post. kev - And not to be all caught up in HOW you express yourself, but your wording/grammar is what confused me. Please clarify.
Name: Reds
Comment: I don’t want to tarnish McNair’s image anymore, but all this is making him seem rather irresponsible, and somewhat dumb. For example, when they got stopped by the police, why did he have to take a cab home even though it was his car. Apparently, he was too fvcked up to drive himself, probably even more than she was.
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >Ghank - my idea of what happened goes like this - McNair sitting on the couch - "Baby, you know I'm married. I'm not leaving my wife. You knew I was married when we started messin' around." Her - "But you told me we'd get married!" Him - "Well, I'm not and you need to stop all that." Her - "You're not going to do that to me!" Him - "Whatever. You need to stop all that sh*t before I put your azz out and take my d*mned sh*t back! You need to stop trippin! I'm not leaving my wife for yo silly azz!" She leaves the room and he thinks it's over. Her - (comes back in the room w/the gun, points gun at him) "You're not doing this to me! You're not just gonna drop me like I'm garbage!" Him - "Put the muthaf*ckin' gun down! You ain't gonna shoot nobody!" Her - "I will! I'll do it!" Him - "Gimme the GD gun!" Her - "No!" (shoots him). He's shocked she actually did it for the split second it takes him to register that she really did it and then he dies from the fatal wound to the head. She's distraught having just killed the man she wanted to marry, puts the gun to her head and kills herself. Can y'all see that with me?...
Name: kevobx12
Comment: To me doggish, is those who control you finanicially if allowed to. Calling people names is direspectful regardless.Women have complete control but some chose not to speak for themselves but for other people burdens instead.( the it's not going to happen to me syndrome). Thinking about cheating you already cheated.
Name: TGen
Comment: I have to agree with Queeniebunz, Kevobox12, what are you really saying re men being dogs and women being indpendent...and Exmun, what part of what Kevbox12 said are you agreeing with? I'm sitting here with a blank stare, lol.
Name: TGen
Comment: Kevbox12: "To me doggish, is those who control you finanicially if allowed to." Still have a *blank stare*
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Queen, people are just weak period. It's no excuse this is why I'm single. All these post & not one comment about the love of one another.Woman have the power.
Name: flytetime
Comment: Queenie, that's how I imagined it went down or something real similar...
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >kev - that's because this is not a case of love. If you love your wife for real, the spiritual kind of love - loving your wife as you love yourself like the scripture says - you don't take up w/a jump off and take her on vacation and buy her an Escalade! And if you love a man, you don't shoot him in the head! And if you love a woman and want to leave your wife, you leave the wife BEFORE you take the next step to sex. Though leaving your wife period is not the love that God says we should have for each other. THAT is why nobody is talking about love. This situation is about lust and sex and obsession, pure and simple. That girl may have loved him but at 20 she prolly didn't know what the hell real love was/is.
Name: dede0320
Comment: ok Queenie, that is the way it most likely happened. I mean she was telling all of her neighbors about the affair....
Name: Reds
Comment: “Neeley told authorities he went into the condo, saw McNair and Kazemi, but walked first into the kitchen before going back into the living room. Neeley then called a friend, who alerted authorities.” … The more I think about it, the more I get suspicious about this guy Neeley. Why? Because his story and his behavior just doesn’t seem normal. … McNair was shot twice in the head and twice in the chest, so didn’t he noticed that initially, before he walked into the kitchen. There got to be visible blood stains on McNair. …Then he went and called a friend. I don’t know what or why, but this guy is definitely hiding something.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Tgen,let's say I hit the lotto, now are women willing to put up with my doggish behavior even more? Good looking people getting over too now if she is so independent why does she stay ( is she ashamed of being alone). Sorry I'm not a dog to enlighten you more.
Name: dede0320
Comment: Reds>> me too...
Name: GHank
Comment: quenniebunz>>>>>>>That scenerio sounds like some Sam Cooke shyt!! I guess I can roll with that theory. I guess the thing that puzzles me is that I thought he was sitting up on the couch when he was found. Did she prop him up before she killed herself? She looks to be all of 110lbs soak and wet. Steve has to be at least 235 lbs.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Queen, you are correct, we love our things that comes from our mates but maybe not them so. Ask you your mate what do they like about you, if it's all outward likes then you are replacable.
Name: TGen
Comment: Kevobox12, um, I guess I follow. You're saying that the women who stay really aren't independent? Okay, I guess... *Shrug* Reds, I think you may be onto something re that Wayne Neely guy. Hmmm
Name: Exmun
Comment: Queenie,TGen, Kev didn't so much say it exactly, but intimated it in one of his posts about women's "independence." What I agree with is that people, in general these days, seem to be more "independent." We don't know how to deal with each other. Many folks would rather text you (on even serious matters) than come to you in person. Any adult man in the dating scene has to deal with getting past the whole "I'm an independent woman, I don't need a man" routine that is commonplace on the tongues of many of your sisteren. Men, too, are growing more selfish. Many men of means (believing they 'know the deal') willingly sleep with and impregnate women women who said men know deep down are in it just for the check. They view paying support as the entry price for the whirl in the hay. I agree with Keve from the standpoint of a sideline observer... that men and women are INCREASINGLY and selfishly "independent." And that infidelity is yet another aspect of us expressing our "independence." Got me?
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Independence is not just a money thing.
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: Ok I was a lil confused by the sutlry'esque nature of kev's post..lol. jfwu. It's a wrap. Men cheat w/women who make themselves available. Whether it's more than sex or not...if women didn't make themselves available..men would NOT have sex w/each other. Now would I have accepted an escalade..black on black w/22's set around chrome diamonds..w/the tint? Uhm...yeah..but I wouldn't be having sex w/him either. *still lol at kevo* Ghank..or he was sleep sitting up. Whoever did it got the jump on him and how far away was she. A head shot is pretty accurate.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: It would have been too easy for the girlfriend to get the drop on Steve and blow him away. He11 an indian woman from Guyana strangled her Black husband with a heavy duty extension cord within 2 months of their marriage. He was somewhat wealthy and she wanted his fortune. She used to snatch the keys to his BMW and run off for days with the other man she met on the internet. It goes back to non-Blacks believing Black men over-value them. The indian woman was found guilty on all counts.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Exmun, thank you I agree wholeheartedly.
Name: Exmun
Comment: Put another way... women's "independence" increases the potential marketplace for heterosexual men's infidelity. I'm not saying men's infidelity is women's fault. What I am saying is that independence (by any gender) upsets certain natural balances.
Name: TGen
Comment: Hmm, Exmun, I guess I understand your "independence leads to cheating" meme Exmun, but I don't know if I agree. Personally, I think even before the "indpendent woman movement," men cheated just as readily. As I stated up top, my issue is that it seems to be a lot more blatant and disrespectful, esp as it relates to public figures who play with fire KNOWING they can find themselves on the Internet with a compromising photo of a sidepiece or whatever. The 'shame' factor seems to be missing, as if the culture has become desensitized to adultery, which is really heartbreaking. So to clarify, you and Kevobox12's suggestion does not hold water in my opinion. Men cheated on their dependent wives as much as they've cheated on their independent ones, lol. That is my contention.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: We are blaming alcohol, the men & women who know what they want?
Name: MzTee
Comment: This is some strange ISHT right here. Apparently, the forensic evidence is pointing toward a murder-suicide...time will tell. I don't know that much about McNair other than he is a former QB, so I can't comment on his character other than to state his cheating on his wife is fcuked up to the nth degree. TJ...you ain't neva lied. The 'other' woman is one ugly broad who couldn't hold a candle to his wife. Unfortunately, old boy got caught up in some young trim and just had to have a taste. TGen...you bring up an interesting point about high profile folks flaunting their extra-marital affairs. No discretion at all. I know folks cheat, but damn -- WTF is up with that? If they don't care about their wives, at least consider the children -- if there are any. Kevbox12...your posts still aren't making any sense. Not sure what point you're trying to convey.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: Some women aren't to be played with and she was obviously one of them. I feel so bad for this man's family. Even though this is no joking matter, I bet all of the NFL and NBA players are calling their jump-offs to break things off. Ain't no one trying to risk this type of behavior repeating itself. RIP Steve. I didn't know you as a football player but I'm sure you were important to a lot of people.
Name: TGen
Comment: Kevobox12: "We are blaming alcohol, the men & women who know what they want?" HUH? Yet another blank stare. Are you drunk? I can't follow your posts for sh*t, lol. They literally leave me dumbfounded.
Name: Exmun
Comment: TGen, you're missing my forest for the trees. And you DO agree with me more than you say. My post wasn't to say that cheating is happening more often than it did before. What I wrote basically cosigned your "it seems to be a lot more blatant and disrespectful" comment. The reason why things are more blatant and done without shame is because (my argument) the whole independent thing.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: The reason why I cheated was because it was really easy to.Women test men everyday to see if they still got it & end up given it to Mikee cause he likes it.
Name: TGen
Comment: Southernbelle: "I bet all of the NFL and NBA players are calling their jump-offs to break things off." LOL! I hadn't even thought about that. Maybe you're right. They're all making that dreaded call to break it off, and if they're smart they are NOT doing it in person, lol. So maybe there is a silver lining to this tragedy after all, if it helps decrease men disrespecting their wives.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @Reds, yes Neeley's behavior is kinda suspect. I would have backed out the front door if confronted with such a ghastly scenario, and would never have ventured all the way to the kitchen area. Understanding the situation, I believe he was more interested in damage control at that point. This reminds me of a Korean family in my area finding their daughter and her lover naked and dead in a parked car. It was very hot so the lovers got the bright idea to go into the garage, turn on the a/c in car and commence to doing their business. The poor family was frantic trying to put clothes on the dead couple before calling the police.
Name: whynotme
Comment: -->bannedntheusa so if women say no then men would not cheat with each other....so what about the men that are already cheating with other men on the DL? are those men wrong for making themselves available to a married man?
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: *singing* Banned in the USA, I was banned in the the USA!! what's up banned? Glad to see you're back.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: I too think she caught Steve asleep on the couch..Two to the head would have just made his head sort of slump to either side which would have given the roomate the impression that he was asleep.. And the stank was on the floor probably face down looking as if she was sleep. So I can see roomate coming in thinking, damn these 2 nasty azz fools are drunk again... This chick probably killed before.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: I apologize for the grammer...I tend to do that a flaw.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: Exmun, any woman had better be "independent" else she's shyt outta luck. Seems like y'all would want an independent woman knowing you have little to no interest in supporting families on your own. And please don't make this a "sistren" thing. EVERYBODY (even men) of all stripes want their daughters to be self-reliant because they know what's in store for her if she's "not".
Name: MzTee
Comment: SB...as much as McNair's death should be a cautionary tale for these athletes to stop having extramarital affairs -- the status quo will continue in the NFL, NBL, and NBA. Hell, you would think folks would have taken HIV/AIDs seriously when Magic announced he contracted it in 91, but it hasn't stopped those fools from playing Russian Roulette with their dycks. As my father is fond of saying -- 'Folks don't believe fat meat is greasy UNTIL it's too late.'
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: TGen - I'm going to agree with you. I'm not going to say that men cheat on dependent women more but I thought about saying that. I will say that many men like to have dependent women because they have control issues. These men feel they can cheat because their women have nowhere to go, or at least they drill it into their dependent wives' heads that they have nowhere to go and that they cannot survive w/o the husband. These men definitely cheat a lot, in my opinion.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: TGen, look how Giuliani called a press conference to announce he was separating from his wife without notifying her in advance. He moved in with two gay guys so his current wife could spend time there. He had the nerve to challenge his wife for not allowing his mistress to visit him in Gracie Mansion so he moved out. He was so blatant with his affair it cost him his relationship with the kids even til this day.
Name: Southernbelle
Comment: @ TGen, don't get too excited before long McNair's death will be a distant memory and the groupies will be back in their fav five's again.
Name: GHank
Comment: The gun recovered at the scene of the deaths of Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi was purchased by Kazemi recently, Metro police have confirmed. Kazemi, 20, died Saturday of a single gunshot to the head alongside former Titans quarterback McNair, who had two gunshots to the head and two to the chest. The gun was found under Kazemi’s body. “We believe the pistol recovered from the apartment was purchased by Kazemi,” Metro spokesman Don Aaron said. Police said the possibility of a murder-suicide is still on the table, but there are several other theories of the crime still possible. Kazemi’s ex-boyfriend, Keith Norfleet, was questioned for several hours by police yesterday. Aaron said he is not a suspect, and there are still no suspects being actively pursued. “He was cooperative during questioning, then he went on his way,” Aaron said. Norfleet told The Tennessean on Saturday that he went to police headquarters on his own Saturday, looking for answers on whether the woman he broke up with five months prior was the one who died alongside McNair. He was not questioned that night, but asked to leave his contact information, Aaron said. “We know Norfleet was a former boyfriend of Kazemi’s, and he obviously had his opinion of the relationship between she and McNair,” Aaron said. “He was a person who needed to be interviewed in detail.” Aaron said the testing to see if gunshot residue was present on Kazemi’s hands has not yet been completed. Federal law prohibits anyone under 21 from purchasing a handgun from a licensed dealer. Kazemi did not have a carry permit; Tennessee requires a person to be 21 to have carry permit.
Name: Reds
Comment: The more I read, the more questions I have. …." McNair arrived at about 1:30 a.m….The two had been dead for a period of hours prior to the bodies being discovered," . …So no one heard the shots. That’s five gun shots, and non of the neighbors called the police.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: The girlfriend bought the gun: http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ....Hmmmm, >queenie...That ain't the way I see the sh1t going down: Mc goes to the condo after a night with boys...He's hungry and wants some azz..He tells the chick to go make him sumthing to eat...The chick is p1ssed 'cause Mc is drunk talking sh1t...She relunctantly(SP) goes in kitchen...makes Mc some hummus and some other sh1t and puts it on a pita...Mc looks at the food and is like WTF is this?....He rolls the pita up like a football and throws a tight spiral at her head...She starts cussing him out in Arabic...Then she starts praying...Now, for most muthafuccers that would be a sure sign to get the fucc outta there...Instead, Mc says some dumbsh1t like-"Yo, pray for some cooking lessons...You know brothas don't like that chick-pea sh1t...Mulaffa my azz, I want some chicken"...That's when he probably told her the sh1t ain't gonna work out...Then all he11 broke loose...That or they were killed by 3 Black men dressed in baggy-jeans and wearing baseball caps...
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >MzTee- Co-sign. People don't think things will happen to them. They think they're more clever in some cases. In other cases, they don't think at all. You have Spitzer and then you have Sanford get caught for the same sh*t. People never think it will be them. They're like teenagers who never think they'll die in a drunk or wreckless driving acccident. "It won't happen to me!" - and the thing about it is that it is developmentally age-appropriate behavior for a teenager to have that "superman" mentality. It is not for a 36 year old grown azz man, or an even older one like Sanford. But, sex has brought a lot of men down historically - not so many women but a lot of men - though it has brought powerful women down, too.
Name: TGen
Comment: Melodycool: "any woman had better be "independent" else she's shyt outta luck." I hear you, you are so right. But I gather what Exmun is saying is what comes along with the women's more independent attitudes are men who believe their "strong" women can handle their philandeering, or maybe not even care if they cheat, or men who will applaud their indpendent women on one hand but keep a dependent one at bay, so the side piece can fulfill his ego needs. I won't disagree with that, though I think it's sad, that women aren't allowed to take care of self without being mistreated or misunderstood by their significant others. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. *sigh*
Name: Exmun
Comment: MelodyCool, your kneejerk reaction is proof positive of basically everything that I'm saying. We (men and women) do need each other, and our acknowledging this fact at least gets us to the place where we can actually deal with the truth. If I, a man, was greeted with the object of my affection saying every day that she can do the damn thing by herself, I would let her do it.... by herself. I'm not saying that the woman's attitude is the reason for a man cheating. But what I am saying is that IF we want in tact relationships and families we've got to acknowledge that we (both genders) NEED each other. I NEED a woman who builds me up lovingly, even when I'm not at my best and vice versa. But if we're too busy saying things like "any woman had better be "independent" else she's shyt outta luck..." there ain't gonna be any getting together... at least in permant relationships.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: At times men want to be caught on purpose, it's an excuse to be ousted. Now women cheating & not getting caught is only fooling themselves by wasting time. Some people search a lifetime for their mate to throw it all away for a nut.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Whynot you read no where in any of the posts that I've ever made where I excuse anyone's behavior. What you have read is that I believe women have given all their power away to keep a no good as.s man or to get one. Even at 20 her stop sign should have been the fact that he still shared a residence with his wife. NO he shouldn't have been trolling and if she'd said no and stuck to it they both would still be alive. Say what you will or may but don't mis read my post and keep coming back with the bullshyt about what he knew or did. They both fukked up - by him putting her in his condo and putting her as a co signature on the truck she believed he would get a divorce. He on the other hand should have checked out what her real state of mind was before he stretched out like that. Don't blame the whole ball of wax on the man - I said it before and will keep on saying it - NOTHING happens when she says NO!
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >TGen - Despite the picture you paint, I still believe there are really good men out there who will treat a woman well. I really do believe that. And I've been through so serious hellish situations with men but I still believe that. I'm sure there are men on this board who treat their wives/SOs well and all of this mess doesn't reflect on them at all. I have friends who are happy as pie with their husbands and I know it can happen for me, too. I just need to wait for him, is all. All men aren't damaged like the men we are speaking of just as all women aren't either. And there are men who appreciate and respect their wives for taking care of business and having their own lives. I do not like to use the term "independent" because it has such a negative connotation in this type of discussion. It is okay for a woman to have her own life, friends, career as long as she doesn't go so far in the other direction that her man doesn't feel needed or wanted. It is possible.
Name: Reds
Comment: “The gun recovered at the scene of the deaths of Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi was purchased by Kazemi recently.” … When? Was it after the DUI? … “We believe the pistol recovered from the apartment was purchased by Kazemi,” … You believe? Did someone scrape off the serial number? … I guess the police just wants to play with us, keep us guessing. Keep the story in the news as long as possible.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Queen, bingo your last post on point, it is what it is.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: LMAO@ BOOTS..I bet he did throw a minced humus pita at her azz and it bounced off of that Bert & Ernie sized nose of hers and flew off the balcony..You know them terrorist don't like wasting shy*t!
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @TGen--->"But I gather what Exmun is saying is what comes along with the women's more independent attitudes are men who believe their "strong" women can handle their philandeering, or maybe not even care if they cheat, or men who will applaud their indpendent women on one hand but keep a dependent one at bay, so the side piece can fulfill his ego needs." <---- IMO the bottom line is some men want women to accept (with no obvious rancor) whatever they are putting down. It doesn't matter if he gives you a deadly disease or makes a child with another women...just take it for the privilege of being able to say "my huband..." I feel that Black men in particular want to feel as if they, too, can treat women with impunity as men do in other parts of the world. For the life of me, I do not understand why they won't remain bachelors or completely unattached...just play the field. I guess it's not as exciting unless you're cheating tho???
Name: Exmun
Comment: From one man's point of view, a man can really get down with a the woman's viewpoint reflected by Queenie in her last post. "I still believe there are really good men out there who will treat a woman well. I really do believe that. And I've been through so serious hellish situations with men but I still believe that... And there are men who appreciate and respect their wives for taking care of business and having their own lives...It is okay for a woman to have her own life, friends, career as long as she doesn't go so far in the other direction that her man doesn't feel needed or wanted. It is possible." ME: what a man might see in the 'way' that Queenie said that is obvious strength, honesty in some of the breaks life throws, resilience, and a certain vulnerability. If we 'want' to work it out, we approach things a bit differently. If we both want to be talking wrong and strong, we get what we get.
Name: TJthemilitant
Comment: She must have bought the gun in the streets off of Darnell 'nem.
Name: TGen
Comment: No Queenie, I did NOT paint that picture. I HAVE a "good" man, so I'm well aware that there are plenty good ones out there. I've never been one to limit God re "There are no good men" because I know words are powerful, and I've always cautioned my friends and peers on that as well. I know that God is a God of abundance, so that "there's not enough" talk never flew with me. My post was my attempt to translate what EXMUN painted as a possible explanation for the more blatant cheating we've been witnessing the past few years. Please re-read my post.
Name: McNasty
Comment: Exmun I get what you're saying - when women wanted the same sexual freedom they allowed from some of the men they dealt with turning into a jump off was just the next natural step. Its not acceptable behavior for a man to cheat on his wife and no men aren't wired so differently they don't know how to be monogamous - that's just bullshyt! When women stop accepting bad behavior from men and stop taking them back after they've cheated - we'd vastly reduce the number of dogs we created. Yeah, I said we, meaning any woman that continually takes back a man knowing he's just gonna do it again. Until there are real consequences he has no reason to change.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: Exmun, being "independent" doesn't mean telling you day in and day out "I don't need you and can do everything for myself"...but a woman had better not EVER place her well-being entirely in your hands that's for sure. This is why I rarely listen to you guys. I woman is either a golddigger or she's independent...never anything in between. I know for a fact, it does not pay trying to meet you half-way...just ain't in the card.
Name: TGen
Comment: Melodycool, some may have a problem with your generalizations, but your accuracy cannot be disputed. You are so right in your azzessment of how some men (too many men, esp those of higher profile who know their wives don't want risk being publicly humiliated) expect their wives to just accept their bullcrap with no ruffling of feathers. It's among the worst forms of emotional abuse. I think of that basta*rd SC governor when I think of that, how he almost dared his wife to leave him, blatantly telling the world "she's not enough for me," and expecting her to accept it, daring her not to. The audacity of it all is mindboggling. Truly...
Name: kevobx12
Comment: If your independent it will show, if your dependent everyone will know.
Name: TGen
Comment: Kevobox12: "If your independent it will show, if your dependent everyone will know." Seriously, are you high right now? I'm not being funny, it's a serious question. Are you?
Name: queeniebunz
Comment: >TGen - You wrote "I think it's sad, that women aren't allowed to take care of self without being mistreated or misunderstood by their significant others. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. *sigh*" - THAT is the picture you painted that I commented on and that has nothing to do with what you have at home. (Chante Moore anyone?)...I am truly happy that you have someone but that is beside the point. What you wrote is what you wrote or are you just arguing for the sake of it...
Name: TGen
Comment: No Queenie, maybe I should have put the caveat "some" women but I thought it was understood that we were speaking of women within the context of relationships with men who reject independence from their women. I THOUGHT you were saying that you gathered that I believed all men were like this. I only shared my experience to illustrate that I do NOT think all men are like that. Simple misundersanding, geez...
Name: stellababy5
Comment: Wow,what a terrible and deadly price to have to pay for cheating on one's spouse.What's that old saying,"A hard-head makes a soft behind".I feel so bad for his wife,but I bet you anything his wife knew.Women always know,we have that seventh sense.Unless they can prove there was a third person,I believe this young woman may have taken his life when he informed her that there would be no divorce.I pray for all of the families.Peace and Blessings!
Name: TGen
Comment: P.S. I caught Joel Osteen yesterday and he was talking about calling things into existence as if they already were. I think that's great advice that I'm going to try to heed more. And I encourage all to do that, esp those who want good non-Steve McNair/Mark Sanford type men, lol. I think Joel Osteen might be onto something. Just sharing. Carry on...
Name: Reds
Comment: Still scratching my head about all this…. So what type of relationship did he and his wife had? Don’t really care about what’s going on or too afraid to ask questions. “Witnesses told police that McNair had been at the Blue Moon Lagoon Bar and the Loser's Bar, both Nashville establishments, late Friday into early Saturday, Aaron said” … He must have been gone a lot, and he had been seeing her for six months. . She had to suspect something.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Why do people talk about their independence? that's what you are supposed to do.Those that are dependent may need a helping hand but helping them over hand & fist, you can also become an enabler.
Name: Conrad
Comment: That the gun was bought recently by this 20-year old changes my entire speculation. This bytch planned this shyt! You know those Arab babs will stap 100 pds of dynamite to themselves, go inside a supermarket, and take out not only themselves, but 300 other Arabs, including children. Arabs promise the men all these 400 virgins when they go to meet Allah! Can someone tell me what they promise the women? BOOT, you might be on point about that hummus vs. some ham and eggs and hotsauce!
Name: TGen
Comment: Reds, I'm sure his wife did suspect something. But is this a typo: "Loser's Bar?" lol That's just too good if it's not. lol
Name: B00TANEB00TUS
Comment: ....Sh1t, I've had to end many a relationship 'cause the woman wouldn't put-up with my bull-crap...Look, I put all that sh1t up-front...Is you is, or is you ain't willing to put up with my bull-crap...yes or no?...I think a man should be respected for being up-front with his bull-crap...Yo, if a Black woman says she's OK with your bull-crap...Her azz is lying...don't believe that sh1t...I'm watching Sunny on Food TV...dayum she got some ham-hocks...
Name: TGen
Comment: Boot: "Yo, if a Black woman says she's OK with your bull-crap...Her azz is lying..." They why even ask? If you know NONE of them are going to put up with your crap, how about don't GIVE THEM ANY CRAP TO PUT UP WITH? lol Geez louise, Boot!
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: TGen, being an heiress there's no reason for the governor's wife to accept that kind of humiliation. We know the governor's feelings haven't changed overnight for his "soulmate". So I just do not understand his wife. She has no excuse for remainig in that marriage. I had an ex who tried desperately to train me to accept his "friend". The idea of it turned me completely off and I lost all feelings for him...thank GD! I can now be platonic friends with him cause there's no residual love lurking around. Once I shut down, he couldn't understand how I could laugh and talk to him so he kept trying to rekindle things. I learnt my lesson for the last time and there was no going back. Even his mama tried to reel me back in until I told her a few choice things that he had done.
Name: bannedntheusa
Comment: Melody can you show me a person who has ever asked the person they cheated on to leave them? U R speaking as if cheating is something isolated to black men..when it is something Humans do...men doing more than their share. I don't have any stats on if black men cheat more than white men..but by recent accounts, white men have had more than their share of affairs. We've voted the biggest "dog" into the white house..TWICE. So men cheat..from the most high of places..especially if there's an intern under the table.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Were living in a free pass society, it's ok for me but not for you. Give me adversity anyday, yall can keep that easy payday.
Name: stellababy5
Comment: On another note,it also could be the ex-boyfriend.Remember Iranians are not that fond of us,but sexing their women is even worse when your still married.All this infidelity is giving true marriages a bad name.
Name: Exmun
Comment: Melody, you mistake my use of "independence" with the opposite.. dependence. IMO, dependence is just as much of a turn off (typically over time) as an overabundance of "independence" is (typically more instant) to a man... at least men that I know. And honestly, sometimes I just don't get why I 'try.' If you'll read my post above, praising the way that Queenie went about saying what she said, you'd understand precisely that I AM saying that there is an in between and that we're not talking about dependent (clueless) women versus machoesque independent women. But instead you 'choose' to focus on a woman giving up all her power to a man. SMH.
Name: Juicebox
Comment: Sahel Kazemi bought gun found at McNair crime scene, police say By Kate Howard • THE TENNESSEAN • July 6, 2009 The gun recovered at the scene of the deaths of Steve McNair and Sahel Kazemi was purchased by Kazemi recently, Metro police have confirmed. Kazemi, 20, died Saturday of a single gunshot to the head alongside former Titans quarterback McNair, who had two gunshots to the head and two to the chest. The gun was found under Kazemi’s body. “We believe the pistol recovered from the apartment was purchased by Kazemi,” Metro spokesman Don Aaron said. Police said the possibility of a murder-suicide is still on the table, but there are several other theories of the crime still possible. Kazemi’s ex-boyfriend, Keith Norfleet, was questioned for several hours by police yesterday. Aaron said he is not a suspect, and there are still no suspects being actively pursued. “He was cooperative during questioning, then he went on his way,” Aaron said. Norfleet told The Tennessean on Saturday that he went to police headquarters on his own Saturday, looking for answers on whether the woman he broke up with five months prior was the one who died alongside McNair. He was not questioned that night, but asked to leave his contact information, Aaron said. “We know Norfleet was a former boyfriend of Kazemi’s, and he obviously had his opinion of the relationship between she and McNair,” Aaron said. “He was a person who needed to be interviewed in detail.” Aaron said the testing to see if gunshot residue was present on Kazemi’s hands has not yet been completed. Federal law prohibits anyone under 21 from purchasing a handgun from a licensed dealer. Kazemi did not have a carry permit; Tennessee requires a person to be 21 to have carry permit.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Women cheat also, what do they want from it. A family reunion maybe or do they just enjoy test driving the man.
Name: TGen
Comment: Melodycool: "I had an ex who tried desperately to train me to accept his "friend." SERIOUSLY??? Just wow. Sanford's wife let him go visit his mistress with a "spiritual advisor" lol. Give me a f*ckin break! You're right, Sanford has given her more than enough reasons to throw up the deuces. I can only say that she must be staying because she loves him *sigh* and she can't let go yet of the idea that she'll have to raise FOUR BOYS without their dad. I suspect though that when (not if) she discovers his philandering has continued, she might have to bite the bullet and throw that doggy back into the pound. I really, really, really dislike that man. YUCK!
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: Reds, the wife certainly knew something but may have been trying to "wait" her husband out. I know a guy who told me he used to cheat on his wife, women would call her before he arrived home after an all night tryst and describe the color of his socks/underwear etc etc. They had three children and she wouldn't hassle him over his indescretions. You know what he told me?? "My wife obviously doesn't love me because she's not upset by what I do". This is another example of...d.amned if you do and d.amned if you don't. Luckily he went on to marry a white women who he did not cheat on, became the model husband and boy did she take him for a ride and ended up calling him the N-word trying to provoke him to snatch her azz.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: I just watched an old film called "Faces" and one of the main characters used to frequent the "Loser's Bar". Guess there's one in every city.
Name: TGen
Comment: "My wife obviously doesn't love me because she's not upset by what I do". This is another example of...d.amned if you do and d.amned if you don't. YES! That is EXACTLY what I was referring to up top. I've had a guy tell me that before because he would joke about being with other women and I wouldn't give him the satisfaction of reacting. He could not STAND my non-reaction, lol, and just "KNEW" I didn't care because I didn't act a fool and refused to play his stupid game. Negro please! lol I don't think it's a stretch to think a lot of emotionally "indepednent" (or emotionally strong is probably a better way to say it) women have endured cheating mates because of the mate's need to have his ego filled.
Name: indipindintthnkr
Comment: My condolences (sp) to the family especially his wife. I don't know what their relationship was like but as his wife shes got to live with the way he died, knowing what he did and then being killed by the hands of another woman who happens to be of another race and many years younger. Plus, she'll be the one making or a least overseeing the arrangements to bury McNair after all of this. Tragic. And its killing me that the woman who shot McNair is being painted as an innocent young woman believing him to get a divorce and marry her. Puleaze! I saw pictures over the weekend of her on Mediatakeout. She was a skank who got lucky enough to get hooked up with somebody that could do something for her. Dave and Busters don't cut it as far as earnings go. Plus, purchasing a gun days before killing someone seems premeditated to me.
Name: Reds
Comment: Still puzzled …. “The quarterback's agent, Bus Cook, said he had never heard Kazemi's name until news of the shooting broke Saturday. What McNair's wife, Mechelle, knew wasn't clear Sunday.” … "She's blindsided by this," the newspaper quoted a source as saying of Mechelle McNair. "She's crushed. Her whole world is shattered." …“McNair was also seen so often at Kazemi's apartment that a neighbor thought he lived there.” … So what do you think he was doing with his time? Was his cover really that good? … “McNair split his time between Nashville and his farm in Mount Olive, Miss. He recently opened a restaurant near Tennessee State University that was aimed at serving healthy, affordable food to college students.”
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: bannedntheusa, it's not specific to Black men, but many do feel deprived if Black women aren't willing to acquiesce to it. I find more of them are oftentimes open and blatant with cheating. Look how Jayson Williams told his Black wife he sucks white girls' twats. What was that all about? I simply believe that Black men feel they are precious commodities and Black women had better be ready to roll with anything to have one of them around. That's a natural turn-off in and of itself to me at least.
Name: adifferentpath
Comment: hello all, here are some words and phrases that woke me up out of my 3-4 o' clock slump: *baby Jesus' favorite cousin * portastic WOW...gotta love eurweb.com. keep on with tha commentary y'all
Name: Exmun
Comment: adifferentpath, I have to fess up that when I wrote "porntastic" I didn't have a lil snicker.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: I truly believe everything happens for a reason.Treat people good, no one knows what tomorrow brings.
Name: adifferentpath
Comment: has me cracking up @ mydesk, crying B00T wrote: "......makes Mc some hummus and some other sh1t and puts it on a pita...Mc looks at the food and is like WTF is this?....He rolls the pita up like a football and throws a tight spiral at her head...She starts cussing him out in Arabic...Then she starts praying.." off tha hook. to the story, as EVERYONE has noted, through other various scenerios, etc....this shyt is tragic. period. no matter the reason, the whys, the who did what? I'm say it like this, " MAKE IT STOP!!!" tragic all the way around. have a good evening y'all. time to get up outta here!
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: @TGen, yes he was definitely trying to train me. Of course, he said she was his "ex" but they simply remained "friends". He was constantly telling me all that he provided for her (a latina with 5 kids...3 different dads)and tried to act as if it was a bother at times. He'd routinely bring her name up at the oddest moments as if he wanted her fixated in my mind. He wanted me to worry and wonder about the true nature of their relationship. When I'd let it pass trying to give him the benefit of the doubt...he'd repeat the process. Once I dropped him, he never invoked her name during conversations and would fall silent anytime I mentioned it. He knew that strategy backfired...bigtime.
Name: Reds
Comment: stellababy5: “On another note,it also could be the ex-boyfriend.Remember Iranians are not that fond of us,but sexing their women is even worse when your still married.” … You really have to wonder what McNair was thinking. … “For her 20th birthday in late May, McNair got her a black Cadillac Escalade. Her family met him over sushi dinner that same weekend. … We met him because I don't watch football and didn't know who he was," said Farzin Abdi, Kazemi's nephew, who was in town from Jacksonville, Fla. to retrieve the body. "We went out to dinner and she was so happy and was having fun. Were we happy about the relationship? No."
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: I'm wondering how she was able to purchase the gun being underage and all.
Name: Juicebox
Comment: This is a comment from a blog in reference to the Steve McNair tragedy: Ladies - especially you young ladies - I beg you to remember this one thing, if nothing else: HE.IS.NOT.LEAVING.HIS.WIFE. Sh.it, she probably knows about you and thanks God you're around to fu.ck him after she just got her hair done. You are NOTHING. Got it? NOTHING. You are two steps above jacking off in the shower. Know your goddamn role. And fellas? Please stop stringing these young as.s girls along. She ain't never taped anything off the radio. Never heard of The Box. Doesn't remember when cartoons were only for Saturday morning. If you just GOTTA cheat, get an old ho (read: 25 and up) who won't be demanding you upgrade her Kia to a goddamn Escalade. If your jumpoff wasn't alive during the Challenger disaster, I BLAME YOU. source will honor the dead when the dead start honoring their marriages
Name: barnone
Comment: juice> pls tell where u got this from. i'll b damn if it ain't the gospel
Name: Exmun
Comment: Wow Juice. Hearing about "The Box" does bring back memories to my college days. I totally forgot about that one.
Name: barnone
Comment: ok u guys...isn't mariah a bit 2 mature 2 b posing half naked looking skeezy on album covers. this kinda stuff is understandable when u 25 and under. but usu, class tends 2 come w/ maturity. oh well guess not
Name: Juicebox
Comment: barnone, I recieved it in an email and I asked her, this was her response: A friend of mine has a blog and she cut it from another site, so I don't know
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Juice, honesty always works for me.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: barnone, Mariah looks downright cheap/trashy having to pose like a porn star. The woman's obviously desperate for attention IMO.
Name: Juicebox
Comment: Kev, honesty is more than likely the best policy.
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Melody, she has a young hubby..lol
Name: Exmun
Comment: I didn't find anything about that Mariah CD cover anything all that bad. She's always sold her body on covers and in videos. Why do we expect her to change now? Personally, I think she looks good in the pic, but that's probably not the point.
Name: MelodyCool
Comment: kev, that marriage is a complete sham and you know this!
Name: kevobx12
Comment: Melody, for real I thought Jay z & Sasha fierce was the sham.
Name: oldschoolbrother
Comment: I met a cat that wanted me to date his wife, they were in a open marriage where he would bring women home, the wife would make dinner for everyone and he would handle his business in the crib. I was shocked. And if you saw this dude, he was like a gremlin, tom cruise height but had the gift of gab.
Name: StephBlake
Comment: Sad day for the McNair family but it is POSSIBLE he would still be alive had the Nashville PO followed the law. On that thursday when "she" got arrested for DUI McNair SHOULD have been arrested as well, for the vehicle was co-registered in both their names, making McNair liable (TN law); however, the cops let McNair go home in a taxi while they kept the girl. Had he been arrested, he would've had to face public scrutiny again (it would've been his 2nd DUI I believe), but I think he would still be ALIVE.
Name: Dean32
Comment: StephBlake, How do you get a DUI in the State of Tennessee if you are not driving the car?
Name: StephBlake
Comment: Dean32, I know it's sounds weird, but McNair would have been legally liable because he co-registered the SUV with the girl, and was IN THE SUV. It has happened to him before; someone was driving one of his vehicles while he was in it; the driver was stopped, took a test, and was over the BA limit. McNair was also arrested that night, because it was his car & he was IN IT.
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