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It's sad but...
Comment: Aaliyah and the others dying in the plane crash is truly a tragedy, but is filing a lawsuit going to bring her and the others back? Unless her parents are suing in principle only and not for monetary reasons, then I really don't see the purpose in filing a suit. After all, Virgin Records lost a couple of their own too.
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I wonder
Comment: I wonder if Aaliyah's parents are both Christians. If they are, then they obviously haven't accepted God's fate with what HE wants to do with their daughter. For them to file a lawsuit, their hearts still seem to be heavy. They need to just pray and leave everything in God's hands for He will comfort them the most in their time of need.
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NY Christian Esq.
Comment: I cannot believe these comments. Surely you do not believe doctors and lawyers do not serve the interest of christians. If so, I guess you also believe we should not educate our children to have the option of becoming scientists, doctors, lawyers, contractors, architects, as they only serve the devil, sinners and other non-christians, alike. Say it isn't so!
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ophelia
Comment: First of all it's the American Way to sue!!! Second of all Aaliyah died while on the job. It doesn't matter what religious faith or denomination you are affiliated with, it doesn't take the pain away when a parent outlives a child. Let any one of you who so flippantly posts the comment about sueing doesn't bring her back or to just leave it in God's hands walk a day in her parents shoes. Negligent and wrongful death are cause for lawsuits in this country among even lesser reasons. They have that right. Thank You.
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Flippant
Comment: Once I saw that there was another video already done before "Rock The Boat" but hadn't been released in the US, I wondered how long it would take for someone to sue. Virgin was a MESS at the time of her death and how wack is it that after her death they dropped Blackground. Somebody needs to pay.
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mekkah74
Comment: I applaud Aaliyah's family for suing the record label. I used to be a travel coordinator for a platinum-selling female R&B group. I would cringe when it came to working with the label trying to arrange travel. The label reps were always trying to get them to various destinations the cheapest way possible. Never mind that without this group, the people working at the label wouldn't be employed. It is time that these record companies be held responsible for shortchanging their artists!
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Comment: I thought the plane was overloaded by the passengers. Why are they sueing the record label?
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2 NY Christian esq...
Comment: I don't know what you're trying to say, but the person who wrote the comment about Aaliyah's parents being Christian has nothing to do with doctors, scientists, lawyers, etc...It's because of God, that doctors are able to help and heal the sick and afflicted.
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SoulSearcher
Comment: While I appreciate the sensibilities of those who argue that filing a lawsuit will not bring Aaliyah back, the matter really isn't about bringing her back - it's about accountability. Holding Virgin Records accountable through suing them, while not bringing Aaliyah back can help reduce the chances of another parent losing their child through negligence. Holding Virgin Records accountable will help them to be more responsible in dealing with the lives of others. Hold Virgin Records accountable!
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2 I Wonder
Comment: You're not serious are you. Basically what you're saying that if a family member of yours is killed due to someone else's negligence (let's say a drunk driver killed your child), you would just say "oh well, life goes on." I doubt that seriously. I'm not saying that Aaliyah's parents claims are worthy of a lawsuit, but if there is evidence that the record label cut corners on safety to save money, then they can be held liable, just like any other job. It's called NEGLIGENCE, which means but for someones actions, the incident could have been prevented. If they were aware that the pilot was inexperienced, that's negligence.
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hypocrite hater
Comment: It is amazing to me that so called "Christians" would take the time to write an e-mail to criticize Alliyah's family. If you are SO trusting in God's will, why aren't you on bended knee praying for their salvation? Why are you attacking them in their time of grief instead of praying for them to see the light? People of this world are rarely satisfied with anything: the size of their house, car or even their body. How can you presume to be so judgemental of people who have had such a tremendous loss? The primary commandments were to love God and love your neighbor...how come we hardly ever see that in practice??? I am so tired of the "sounding brass or clanging cymbal"!!!
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aquaboogiebaby
Comment: Unless they held a gun to the pilot's head, the pilot makes the final call re: safe takeoff or not. His pilot's license was suspended, that is gross negligence on the airline charter company. If the agency/record label downgraded size, capacity, quality of aircraft, no matter what the reason, that too would be negligence. All grounds for litigation. On the topic of how religeon fits into all this, somebody please tie your shoelaces cuz "beyotch U Be Trippin.
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good points made
Comment: but, it doesn't matter how you look at it, it was their time to go. If God wasn't ready for them, they would have lived.
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CeeCee
Comment: We have to look at the whole picture.
Aaliyah was advised many times before that plane left the ground with ANY pilot that it was too heavy and unsafe. She was advised to wait for another plane or fly commercial. She and her crew had to have it their own way and had to go right then and there with all of that heavy equipment. There is such a thing as contributory negligence and this is a prime example. She and her crew had a hand in their own deaths. They are every bit as responsible as anyone else. The parents need to stop blaming others and look at themselves. Why couldn't their daughter heed the advice of authority's telling her that the plane was too heavy? Why did she have to have her own way? I'm sorry she's dead but she got what she asked for.
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A Christian who is NOT so heavenly minded
Comment: It does NOT matter if they are Christians or not! They lost their baby. Perhaps the person who made this comment has NEVER lost a loved one.
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robin32
Comment: I understand the loss and the pain that Aaliyah's family is going through, however I don't see how the record label is responsible. I don't usuallly stick up for the record labels but I don't see it. I see where the pilot was definetly in error and the airport and possibly the passengers.
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This is for "I Wonder"
Comment: Obviously you are speaking something that you heard and haven't read the bible for yourself. If you were a Christian you would KNOW that the works of GOD cause NO SORROW. So, the unfortunate incident was definitely not an act of God. Where do these people get this misinformation from. STOP listening to other folks and read the bible yourself!
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Mad as hell
Comment: CeeCee-somebody should slap you for that last comment! She did not get what she asked for-and how dare you say such a thing. HE was the PILOT-and as such should have been the final person to make the call about whether or not to fly-not mention being the expert (or so everyone thought) on what the plane could handle. The airline company and the airport should have taken responsibility and said no you can't take off because the plane is overloaded. a major airport wouldn't let a plane take off if something like that was done. I think her parents should sue the airport also.
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GossipDaddy
Comment: I think its about time. But yo, check this %*$! out http://www.fridayonair.com they have some interesting gossip and celeb pics
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Missing Aaliyah
Comment: We live in a country where anyone can sue anyboby for anything. You knew once the dust settled that Aaliyah's family was going to sue whoever has the DEEPEST pockets. That's just how it goes in America. We need to find someone to blame. Personal accountability is a thing of the past. Unfortunately, the people who boarded that plane with the knowledge of it being too heavy, were responsible and paid the ultimate price. It's sad. It's easier to blame a record label or someone for negligence than to shoulder the pain of accepting where the blame truly belongs.
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ora jones
Comment: I can sort of relate to the response stating that Aaliyah and her staff were very demanding that the plane take off even though they were warned of its weight content. Its sad that we lost Aaliyah, however, sometimes as humans we make bad decisions and I think this was a bad decision made by the passengers of the plane, not by Virgin Records.
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Sha, Detroit
Comment: Hypocrite Hater, who criticized or attacked Alliyah's family? These are simply comments and people's opinions, everyone has one. Opinions are not right or wrong
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doodle
Comment: I agree with cee cee in a way because she could have taken another plane, my understanding is that they were in an extreme hurry and opted for the smaller plane.I don't believe the Record companys have that kind of control, I don't think that the parents should blame Virgin. I understand their hurt and pain, however, their daughter is with God now and they must get on with their lives.
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aquaboogiebaby
Comment: CeeCee - Sorry but you are 100% wrong on one thing, the pilot has the FINAL WORD re: fly-no-fly. Commercial pilots can make that call. This pilot made the wrong call. Obvioulsy he perished as well. How far the legal responsibility goes will be left to the courts. The pilot and the charter company are negligent and responsible.
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Sha, Detroit
Comment: DAMN CeeCee "she got what she asked for"?? Really?!?! were you there? How do you know so much about what Alliyah said, did and asked for. Puuleezzzzzze!
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Kim
Comment: First of all, CeeCee, for that statement, you need a foot up yours.Unfortunately,whn someone so close to us dies such as the way AAliyah did, it's easier to grieve if you have someone to point channel your anger at. Whether they have a strong suit is possible. I agree with the other comments posted, the pilot has the FINAL say so! If he had firmly said NO, who would have flown the plane? Nobody, they would have had no choice but to wait...
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sharon
Comment: I thought because Aaliyah's crew was in a hurry to get home, they were the ones who charterted the plane and that that they were the ones who insisted in piling into the small plane with all of their stuff. The original pilot said he had no idea they had changed their minds and chareted another flight. If this is true, then what grounds do these people have. My heart breaks for all of the families, but I don't think this is the way to heal.
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To CeeCee
Comment: Nobody gets what they ask for unless they commit suicide. I know we are all entitled to our opinions but that last comment was just a little to harsh. Her parents have a right to sue because it WAS negligence on Virgin and the pilot. It's just like being at our jobs or school etc... They have a responsibility to their workers to provide them with a safe atmosphere. In this case the pilot should have been screened better and should have NEVER been flying anyone! If something happens to me at work my family does have the right to sue, if it could have been avoided by the company. For example across the bay in San Francisco a well known Law Firm went completely under because of lawsuits after an ex-employee came and shot everyone. The company no longer exists. That is their right to sue I don't care what Aliyah and the other passengers did not choose to do! She did not ask for a horrible and untimely death like that!
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CeeCee
Comment: They demanded to get on that plane right then and there AGAINST the advice of the baggage handlers, loaders, and the pilot and they did! How quickly we forget details! Those are the facts reported by every major news outlet after the tragedy. I did not have to be there to know that Aaliyah would most likely be alive had she heeded the warnings of people who saw what was going to happen and tried to prevent it. Stop blaming everyone else! Aaliyah and those 8 other adults share some responsibility for their own deaths. It is not Virgin Record's fault. Like it or not. They were not victims. They participated in causing their own deaths. Stop trying to make a saint out of this girl and look at the facts. They ALL should have waited. They should not have pressured the pilot to go. The pilot also shares responsibility for his own death. He knew better and should not have let them pressure him into flying an overweighted plane. The fact that the man was no angel and had a shady past has nothing to do with what happened. The fact is they should have waited. So, yes. They got what they asked for. They demanded to get on that plane and they did. Their deaths were a consequence that came with their demands.
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Hmmmm....
Comment: I, personally, do not think Virgin Records was at fault for this. Virgin Records had Aaliyah and her entourage leave the day after the plane went down. Meaning, they were suppose to leave the next day, NOT the day before. QUESTION, Did it ever come across anyone's mind of the reason WHY R Kelly married Aaliyah and NOT those other girls? From what I heard, R Kelly married Aaliyah because she was pregnant, had the baby and now since Aaliyah's gone, left the estate to the minor and her family is suing because the little girl cannot say "O.k Auntie gets this and Uncle get that". I heard that's why they suing because Aaliyah left everything in the little girls name. Hayy don't shoot me Im just asking..LOL
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Nubian Queen
Comment: The point is the plane should have never been sent. That pilot should have never been sent. This whole ordeal was a mess before it even came down to the entourage having to make a decision to board or not. The record company knew all the equipment the entourage left with, therefore they knew what they had to bring back and therefore should have taken the proper steps from the beginning.
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Nubian Queen
Comment: Let's look at the behavior here. We say the pilot told the entourage that the equipment was too heavy, but sill they wanted to board. This has happened before, where the record companies know they are pushing it in terms of weight and still convince their artists and the pilot that it is ok. So when you are conditioned to think yeah it's a little heavy but we should be ok there comes a time when everything does not fall into place. Aaliyah's parents have the right to sue, as I stated in my previous post the company sent a plane that they did not bother to check to see if it qualified for what the entourage actually needed.
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no way-read this CeeCee
Comment: Ok CeeCee, so how much know how and foresight do you think that she and the others had about planes and the consequences about flying anyway? Do you think that someone told her "hey Aaliyah, don't fly or you'll die"? NO! Ultimately,it was the job of the pilot to make the decision. How many people everyday fly commercial in a rush to a business meeting or whatever and the pilot makes the judgement call to reschedule due to weather or other problems? Just because a few passengers are in a rush, do they fly anyway? NO!! That's like a pharmacist giving extra medication to someone because they can't make it back for their next dosage an the person ODs. Where is the PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILTY in that??? To imply that she got what she asked for is such a cold and unthinking thing to say. Yes there were bad judgemet calls, but some were held to a higher standard than others. Think about it.
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Lisa P.
Comment: I agree with everything CEE CEE said, except the last part. Although they wanted to leave and did not heed the warnings, I don't think that they said "we want to leave and we don't care if we die." Nobody ever feels like they are going to die. I'm sure that wasn't even on their mind. It was tragic, but saying they got what the deserved is a bit cold. Some people get what they deserved, but I feel in this case that they didn't "deserved" to die like that. They made a stupid decision and bottom line it was their time.
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To:To CeCe
Comment: The truth is often harsh but the "harshness" of it does not negate the facts. God has appointed a time for each of us to die. We can CHOOSE to interfere with that plan by making foolish and unwise decisions. Virgin Records did arrange for Aaliyah and her crew to get to and from the video location safely. They CHOSE to interfere with those arrangements by DEMANDING to come back to the U.S. early on an unsafe private flight. Even after they were advised that the equipment should stay behind they still DEMANDED that the equipment go with them on the same flight. Had these people only stopped and listened to those in authority over the plane and the travel arrangements they would be alive. Lets not forget that one crew member (only 1) had enough sense to listen to the warnings and he did fly home on a commercial flight. He is alive today. The others demanded to have their own way in their own time and their CHOICES led to their deaths. I can fully understand the family's grief, hurt, and even anger. However, their daughter contributed to her own death as did everyone else on that airplane. They did get what they asked for. They asked to fly on a plan they were advised was unsafe. As a consequence they all died. Mama knew what she was talking about when she said be careful what you ask for!
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To: CeeCee
Comment: I also agree with you to a certain extent. Now, I wouldn't say they got what they asked for, but Like I stated, it was not Virgin Records fault. They left a day earlier. AND to: hmmmmm I also heard that that was on Bet.com..
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To No-Way from CeCe
Comment: You said...<
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To Lisa P. from CeCe
Comment: Lisa,
I'm not saying that they deserved to die like that all. That was a horrible way to die. I am sorry they all died and wouldn't wish Aaliyah's death on anyone. I'm saying that they asked to get on an unsafe plan and they were permitted to do so. Their deaths were a consequence of their actions. They were advised not to and they chose to do so anyway. So in the end they did get what they asked for and consequently something that they did not ask for or want as well.
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To: no way-read this CeeCee
Comment: The pilot was the one doing the drugs. So I think he would have agreed with them to hurry up and go anyway. He was in no state of mind to say no fly. But, that damn airport is responsible. NOT VIRGIN RECORDS!!! Also, Im sure Virgin records chartered a plane and pilot, NOT THAT ONE THAT CRASHED..But like CeeCee said the DEMANDED TO LEAVE...
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To To: To CeeCee
Comment: Yes they made a foolish decision to not listen BUT (I think) it still falls on the record company because the pilot had felony convictions and whatever else. They (Virgin) share responsibility as well as them choosing not to listen. Both parties were being greedy!
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no way
Comment: I see what your saying now CeeCee, but doesn't one being an authorative figure, give you the right to put your foot down? Nobody else could have flown that plane if the pilot did not. I'm not sure if he was acually high on that day or not. Did they release an autopsy report on that? Yes, there were several factors that contributed to this tragedy. There is responsibilty on the hands of all those involved, but unfortunatley the living have to pay. I was just interested in the last sentence in your first comment. Some people's mistakes are held to a higher degree of standard than others depending on your occupation. Sadly, the consequences were the same for all. Thanks for listening.
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Anthony Shorter (Los Angeles, CA)
Comment: It's natural for Aaliyah's parents to file suit in this case and not uncommon occurence. Whether they are Christains or not, should be in questions. They suffered a loss due to someone's poor judgement. The suit is more of a statement of responsibility, to make Virgin accountable for their role in the wrongful death of Aaliyah and the others that died along side of her in the plane crash. I think its noble of them to make Virgin accountable for their actions, and maybe next time we can avoid something like this from happening to your family member.
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Around the Way Speaks!
Comment: I applaud Aaliyah parents for their lawsuit. I wonder if people would make the same negative comments about the lawsuit if Aaliyah was unknown and broke. Either way I’m sure that they understand that money will never replace their loved one and Virgin should definitely be blamed. They chose to work with an unreputable company because they were trying to save a few bucks!!!
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To: around the way speaks...
Comment: Heck yeah we would be saying the same thing because, It's down right wrong for them to be suing Virgin Records. That is not V.R's job to do a background check on the airlines. It's obvious the airlines didn't check ol' boy either because none of this wouldn't have happened. And you say "I’m sure that they understand that money will never replace their loved one", then why sue? Where is your post leading?
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Law over Christianity
Comment: Just because a person dies, it doesn't mean that the situation surrounding it is lawful. If someone shot Aaliyah, would her family not see that the person was brought to justice? Would they disregard it as an "act of God"..."it was their time to go", and so forth? No, they wouldn't. Try to see the whole picture before you make such a harsh statment, especially about God. Easy to tell people to just "move on and accept it", just because you weren't as seriously impacted by this incident. If it were YOUR family member, would you take the same faulty advice that you just tried to give? Think about it.
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JACKTAIL CeeCee...
Comment: No pilot with ANY integrity would have flown that plane PERIOD!!! This was a faulty man doing faulty things! A true pilot would have let them whine and scream and whatever, and done what was best for everyone. They would have gotten over it. Simple as that. I'm sorry you felt the need to be so nasty and insensitive in expressing your feelings. Maturity may aide in that aspect of your life. Let's all pray for Cee Cee the Jacktail!!!!!!!
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Around the Way Speaks! (again)
Comment: CeeCee: Did you know that Aaliyah had a fear of small planes? Do you know that she hesitated to get on that plane before she died? Did you know that when she initially left for the shoot that called her brother and said that she hated the fact that they were flying in a small plane? How do you know that the pilot actually informed Aaliyah and her crew that the excess baggage was too heavy and the plane might crash? From all that I have read, someone loading the baggage informed the pilot. I honestly don't believe in my heart of hearts (and with all the common sense that I feel that I possess) someone who does not like small planes, would risk his or her life for extra baggage. Obviously, for some odd reason someone made them feel as if the plane was safe. It was the pilots responsibility to made sure that the plane was not over its weight limit and that every passenger and piece of equipment was evenly distributed. In addition, he was supposed to only carry enough fuel to make the trip one way. (He carried more than enought fuel for the trip which added on to the weight of the plane) Even if he did decide to fly the plane 'cause Aaliyah and her crew "forced" him to--he basically committed suicide himself. Obviously this man was not properly trained to be a pilot?
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Around the Way Speaks! (again)
Comment: [TO: To Around the Way Speaks!]A Virgin records was responsible for her travel itinerary. Initially, they has scheduled the flight with another company. The company pulled out the deal because they weren't willing to grant one Virgin's request. They asked that the equipment not be weighed before they placed it on the plane. The pilot refused to do so--so Virgin found someone else to do they're bidding at the last minute. The plane was privately owned. The airlines have nothing to do with checking out the credentials of a privately owned plane. The man who owned the company and hired the pilot was the only person licensed to fly the plane.
Morales ( I believe that was the pilots name) did not even pass his pilot’s exam.
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aquaboogiebaby
Comment: Fact is: The pilot screwed up, the plane was more than 600lbs overweight, he knew that and took off anyway. Fact: the airline is responsible for the actions of the pilot. Unless the pilot advised the airport that the plane was overweight and allowed the takeoff, I don't see how the airport has any major liability. The airline was contracted by the label and hence is an agent and could very well have some compensatory liability. Liability on behalf or the artist or her crew, is a major stretch and is coming from peeps on this site that do not have a clue on legal liability. Just pure emotion that makes for interesting reading on the site and helps EUR's web traffic.
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hypocrite hater
Comment: I cannot wait to see the arguments when Lisa Lopes' family sues somebody!!!
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To:around the way speaks again
Comment: It wasn't privately owned by Virgin. Around the way, WHAT IS your point. I been reading your post for a minute now and Im sorry, but your just not making any sense to me either! I agree with some people here But I also agree that Virgin was not responsible for what happened. All they did was book the flights. And if it was privately owned (as you say). They need zone flying from somewhere now don't they? The airlines ARE responsible. Alas, as you say, "The man who owned the company and hired the pilot was the only person licensed to fly the plane" HE should be responsible NOT VIRGIN..
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Around the Way Speaks! (again)
Comment: Why didn't anyone complain when the families of her crew members filed lawsuits? Just a thought...
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as far as I know...
Comment: EUR only commented on Aaliyah's family filing law suit.
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Around the Way Speaks! (again)
Comment: [TO:To:around the way speaks again]
The aircraft was owned by Skystream, a company based in Pembroke Pines, Florida.
I never said the plane was owned by Virgin. If you've read what I've posted before--Virgin tried to cut corners by asking the previous company by not to weighing equipment. I'm sure they did not have that problem with Skystream. Virgin "hired" a company that did not even have a permit to operate commercial charter flights in the Bahamas. If don't understand my comments or understand that I am just contributing my thoughts and/or opinions -- they no need to single me out. Just ignore meaningless banter
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Around the Way Speaks! (again)
Comment: TO: as far as I know...
The families of her hairstylists Eric Forman & Anthony Dodd filed lawauits against Virgin in February.
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Get the facts straight and then argue your points... please!
Comment: Around the way, where are you getting your info from? If you read the post last year when they talked about the families filing suit, we were saying the same things then also. The record company has nothing to do with the chartered plane so why are they being sued. Although I too heard that Aaliyah was afraid of small planes, the news in the Bahamas stated that Aaliyah's crew argued with the pilot to fly the plane for several minutes, they were warned time and time that the equipment and the men in the back of the plane were too heavy. This plane was not even chartered by Virgin. People, please get your facts straight. The plane that Virgin chartered was suppose to come on Sunday. Virgin didn't even know about the chartered plane on Saturday until Aaliyah died. Somebody from Aaliyah's camp chartered the plane because she was in a rush to get back home to Damion Dash. They all were suppose to leave on Sunday.. why do you think Fatima and the rest of the crew was still there? It is truly sad that they all are gone, but they should have not bullied the pilot into flying that plane. I think because he was a crack-head he didn't have good judgement and therefore the charter company should be sued not Virgin.
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ChristianJDinLA
Comment: It is absolutely reasonable that the families of the people who died in that terrible crash would file a negligence lawsuit against ALL cupable parties involved. This would include any and all decision-makers of the trip, as well as all involved on the transportation side of this accident, such as the airline company. It's just the way the lawsuit works. Any party who, in the eyes of the families, owe a duty of care to those individuals on that plane for their safe return, are liable. That is what is due to them under law. Some of the arguments that Cee Cee an others raised will be what those companies will argue...as crude and ugly as it sounds, they will try to hold those passengers responsibie and negate their responsiblity. As far as those who feel that filing a lawsuit is not "God's way" of settling matters...read Romans 13:1, for starters. Our Creator has put these "superior authorities" in place for situations such as this, and we are to respect, honor and be thankful for this fact. The Bible says that we should not sue "our brother," however, in this instance, I do not believe these companies (in their totality) represent "our brother." The families are trying to "be made whole," as much as they can, and the law affords them ANOTHER opportunity to do just that. Peace and Blessings...
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Around the Way Speaks! (again)
Comment: Get the Facts Straight???
I am not interested in an argument. I am simply posting my comments based what I’ve read and what I think. In reference to Virgin’s liability—Virgin Record is a subsidiary of Virgin International which in turn owns its own Airline. You would think they would understand the importance hiring reputable pilots. I’m sure they’ve never hired anyone to work for their Airline without references. In addition, Aaliyah and her crew did pilot the plane—Morales did! Secondly, if one of Aaliyah’s crew member’s did charter the plane—I’m very positive they were also a Virgin employee.
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ChristianJDinLA
Comment: It's hard to say for sure why Virgin is being named in the lawsuit, unless you (3d) have a copy of 1) the lawsuit in it's entirety, and 2) Aaliyah's contract with Virgin. It could simply be because Virgin names itself as some sort of decision-maker in Aaliyah's welfare, when she does video shoots...i.e. if Aaliyah is an artist/emplyee of Virgin. For example, if you were on company business and was killed in an airplane accident, it is very possible that your company would be liable because you were on company business at the time of your death. It's really too involved to get all worked up over the issues, unless you have all of the documents in front of you. Peace...
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Forrest Gump
Comment: Anyone who has worked in the music business understands that artist itineraries change ALL THE TIME. It's not unusual for an artist and/or crew to request an itinerary change. That said, let's set some things straight. 1) Virgin booked this small airline, just like they booked the original flights 2) The pilot has final authority on flight readiness of the craft 3) NONE OF US WAS THERE to hear EXACTLY what was said and to whom; therefore comments about their "awareness" of the danger are hearsay at best 4) Part of filing a law suit includes discovery of information not readily available at the time of incident. Including ALL potential plaintiffs is standard procedure and 5) Aaliyah was 98 lbs. and shouldn't have been able to scare a grown man into doing something so ill-advised. The pilot's drug history/questionable skills VERY LIKELY played a part in his willingness to engage in that foolish enterprise. One would think Cee Cee and others had boatloads of Virgin stock the way they are defending this multi-billion dollar international conglomerate about this suit. This company paid Mariah Carey $50 MILLION for a SINGLE ALBUM. Compare that cost against chartering a 737 to get Aaliyah home and you might look at this issue somewhat differently. P.S. If GOD has appointed a time for our deaths, then how can OUR actions change His plans??? Leave the religion alone, if you can't help contradicting yourself.
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Charles
Comment: It's really interesting to read some of the things that's been posted. I'll keep them in mind when visiting the grave sites of Eric and Anthony, also while sitting in the court room during the suit. I got a chance to know Aaliyah before her untimely death. We where blessed to have her in our lives. (For those of you with the baby issus, kill the slander! The girl had no children!)Forrest Gump sums the situation up better than any one. God bless you all!
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Pissed Off!
Comment: CeeCee, your comment was totally callous and straight out FOUL...!
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To: Around the Way!
Comment: Aaliyah's fear of small planes has nothing to do with anything. The pilot, the loading crew, and others involved with that plane advised all involved that the plane was too heavy. Every news report I saw and read stated that. They interviewed some of the people who worked for that small airport and they said the pilot did not want to go up. However, after he was pressured by Aaliyah and her people he (foolishly)agreed. The only person who used good judgement was the 1 person from Aaliyah's group who decided to play it safe and flew home commercially. I've already said that the pilot is responsible as well. But so is Aaliyah and her crew.
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To: aquaboogiebaby
Comment: I never said the pilot did not have the final say. I'm sure he did. However, that does not diminish Aaliyah's and the other's responsibility in the tragedy. Besides, according to this article the parents are suing Virgin Records. Virgin arranged for safe travel to and from the shoot. They are not responsible if Aaliyah and her group decided to do their own thing. The family definitely has a suit against the charter company, the pilot's estate, or even the airport. But not Virgin Records. Just my opinion.
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jwr, cali
Comment: maybe i am a little dense but what does being a christian have to do with filing a lawsuit...its not going to bring their princess back...but it will probably help after the record company loses tons of cash... make record companies be more careful
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jwr cali
Comment: man she and everyone got what they asked for...who are you down with virgin records...by the way who is to say that if the plane wasnt to heavy the no license pilot wouldn't have crashed anyway..also who is to say the no license pilot who again shouldnt been flying anyway could not handle the extra load...and the bottom line is he shouldnt been flying anyway...its just like if you're licence to drive is suspended...you get into a car accident and its not your fault for the crash...you're still to blame because since your license was suspended you had no business driving...just like said pilot..license suspended he's at fault....why do you think the company he represented shut down...sue sue sue...its the amerikkan way and the parents are right
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i'll be the bad guy and say it, but...
Comment: people die every day. it's sad for the loved ones left to carry on, but it will happen to EVERYONE eventually. no, the pilot shouldn't have been flying with a suspended/revoked license. i doubt it would have made a difference though. it makes no sense to further besmirch the man's name and claim that he was on drugs at the time of the accident. it has not been proven, he's not here anymore. i am in no way defending him, he had final authority on whether that plane would leave the ground, he should have exercised better judgement and just said no. however, it has been reported that aaliyah's entourage had been forewarned that the plane was overloaded yet insisted upon flying out anyway. as unfair as it seems, they must all be held accountable. however, it is the american way to place blame on everyone else.
someone indulges in mcdonald's fare for breakfast, lunch, dinner every day and is later diagnosed with high cholesterol. said person passes from a massive heart attack. can the deseased's family sue mcdonald's for wrongful death? after all, it was [overindulenge in] their product that contributed to the death.
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Get a damn grip!
Comment: People, if you have issues with a comment, have the hutzpah to direct it to that person directly instead of wasting everyone's time by directing it over the chat line. if it pertains to the subject, fine, otherwise, let....it.....go. DAYUM!
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Sergeant James E. Lovejoy
Comment: My Dear Sisters and Brothers, I would like to start by saying, Its way out of my character to post such comments. But I felt compelled to say this, I live in a world that takes me threw many character building obstacles......As I grieve over the "Tragedy of our Young sister AALIYAH" this too should be a character builder of our understanding of God's Will. I've seen so many young Brothers and Sisters lives taken here in the Military making a Sacrifice for "All's Freedom" to express your personal thoughts. Sister AALIYAH is gone and we must trust in the there after life. For all of the comments that are posted, take a step back and Give thanks to being able and capable of "Just Living" Peace to you all and Pray for our Troops in the Armed Forces......And also for the healing of AALIYAH parents heart. Peace!
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Minion
Comment: To I Wonder...
Do you have children?
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Virgin Records Spokesperson
Comment: I have read the comments posted and feel compelled to leave a response to any of the feelings you may have. We all feel a great loss in Aaliyah's passing, as well as the others who perished on the plane. I can assure all of you that it was never our intention to have such a tragedy befall one of our most beloved. I knew here personally and she was like a sister to me. We at Virgin Records were not responsible. We were not aware of the pilots deficiencies. We were told that this this Cessna plane was adequate for such a short flight. We also were unaware that the entourage had overloaded the plane before take-off. If we would have known, I can guarantee that we would not have allowed her to depart. I pray for the families of the victims and hope that we can settle the lawsuit out of court. Thank you.
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Moron!
Comment: This is for "I wonder" and "Cee-Cee": Would you PULLEEZZ, SHUT THE HELL UP?. Religion has nothing to do with this. Someone died and someone's responsible. 'Nuff said. Nobody deserves to die! Think before you start writing ignant shyt, Dummies! (lol) To Hypocrite hater: You are 100% correct. I can't stand "Christians" walkin' around here with their noses up their butts when some of them are no better than the rest of us. To Sha from Detroit, Pay Attention! "I Wonder" was criticizing the parents of Aaliyah for suing. Wake up! Thank you all and holla back...
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Forrest Gump
Comment: Someone purporting to be a Virgin Records Representative has posted on this thread. If one presumes that the post is legitimate (and no one can be SURE), please note the following, "WE WERE TOLD that this this Cessna plane was adequate for such a short flight. We also were unaware that the entourage had overloaded the plane before take-off. If we would have known, I can guarantee that we would not have allowed her to depart..." This statement DIRECTLY REFUTES the many posts that %*$ert Aaliyah's travel party made arrangements on their own. In fact, it seems to comfirm that Virgin DID book the arrangements. Notwithstanding this "possible" revelation, the legal basis of this argument will likely hinge on the question of gross negligence on the part of Virgin Records. To whit, can Virgin's arrangement of alternate travel plans be PROVEN by a PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE to display a disregard for the victims. Folks, any determination on this issue must include an examination of Virgin's corporate travel policies, etc. All the misdirected and ill-conceived cyber-bashing in the world is not going to remove Virgin's name from the suit, so why don't you chill and leave the families to their business. P.S. I took TWO MINUTES in the google search engine and found this service (partially based in Florida BTW) http://www.prestige-charters.com/charters.htm. They refer to 24 hour a day contact and service on a fleet of jets, 90% of which could have easily accommodated the party. I ask again, when a company can spend $50 million so an artist WILL NOT RECORD FOR THEM ANYMORE, is a $10,000 or $20,000 charter JET an outrageous expenditure?
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TrueBlu
Comment: This is really a very sad situation because Aaliyah and her crew should be here. We can not begin to understand GOD's plan and purpose. We need to continue to pray that Aaliyah's family and friend find peace in her passing. I do believe that Virgin Records and others should be held responible for these people deaths. Someone should have had sense enough to know that it was to much eqiupment and luggage to carry on that tiny plane. They suppose to have had Aaliyah's safety in mind first.
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Around the Way Speaks! (again)
Comment: TO:Forrest Gump & "To: Around the Way"!
Bravo Forrest Gump!
I absolutely agree with your commentary.
"to: Around the Way":
My reasoning for mentioning that Aaliyah has a fear of small planes to solidify the fact that I don't think any who is already afraid to fly would be brave enough to fly in an dangerously overloaded plane.
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bx brown suga
Comment: Damn CeeCee, if that was YOUR DAUGHTER, would you be saying the same thing? Keep that in mind the next time you want to criticize!!!! I'm glad you're not anyone's final judge and jury cuz alot of us would be %*$ed out!!!!
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bx brown suga
Comment: CeeCee, I'm hollerin' atcha again!!!! Um, do you have stock in Virgin Records or something? Why are you so evil in your verbal %*$ault? Even if "A" and her entourage pressured the pilot into taking off, it WAS NOT their decision. The only way it could be their decision is if AALIYAH owned the damn plane. Take a minute and think about how ugly you sound!!!!
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bx brown suga
Comment: DAMN!!! CHRISTIANJDINLA AND FORREST GUMP SPEAK THE TRUTH. I TAKE IT THE "JD" IN THE NAME STANDS FOR JURIS DOCTOR RIGHT? THEY SEEM TO KNOW QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE LEGAL SYSTEM. VERY REFRESHING TO COME FROM A PLACE OF EXPERIENCE AND NOT PURE EMOTION AND UNFOUNDED HEARSAY. ON ANOTHER NOTE - AALIYAH HAD A BABY? ELABORATE, SOMEBODY PLEASE!!!
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SoulSearcher to SGT Lovejoy & Get A Damn Grip
Comment: AFTER LIFE???? My Dear SGT Lovejoy (& Get A Damn Grip -I'll try to tie to this subject for you! :-),
Trust in the after life? You say, "we must trust in the there after life." I say no we musn't! I think that spending so much of our spiritual, emotional, and mental energies focusing on the "after life" is EXACTLY what's wrong with us! We think so much of THAT life, that we don't value THIS one enough to realize that EVERY life is a miracle. And we should morn, and groan, and hurt, and cry, AND SUE when it's appropriate to do so. And THIS instance is an APPROPRIATE one for Aaliyah's family to SUE VIRGIN RECORDS for their loss of a duaghter they chrerished in THIS life.
(/END OF SECULAR PREACHING)
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Sergeant Lovejoy
Comment: After Life with a grip!!!! You almost impressed me...Sista or Brotha?? As I always tell my Young Soldiers with strong words and toughness.....Come alone and help me look for "Bin Laden"..but in the mean time sleep and party hard.........God Bless YOU and your strong fingers behind the computer....HOOAH!! Airborne!
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